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General Issues / Questions / Re: EVERY CHRISTIAN SHOULD WAKE UP AFTER THIS VIDEO

« on: Yesterday at 01:33:50 PM »

I have heard it said of Islam, over and over again and again, time after time that Islam just "makes sense" and is so clearly logical, etc. etc.

My question to you (all of you) is that if you believe what you just said, and what I have read time and again from other Muslim missionaries, than how do you explain ONE SINGLE Muslim converting to Islam?!

Do you mean a Muslim converting to Christianity? Lack of education on their part. Most likely they don't know there own faith; but to each his own, that was their choice. Perhaps they feel lost within their community. If I was in a place like Saudi and dealt with their rules and ignorance towards women, I might convert to a more "peaceful" and "accepting" faith. Some Muslim countries show Islam in the worst form. Looking at those places and how they handle things, I would not have chosen their misrepresentation of Islam, then again that is most likely why I am on this site and not an orthodox sunni.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Quran vs hadith

« on: Yesterday at 01:25:27 PM »

Salaamun alayki,

How dare you, that's my beloved country 

Salaam,
Bender

ps welcome to the forum turk87 
I guess you are from Turkey   TUR 

 
I could not resist putting all those codes

No worries Bender.... nothing but love here

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Gay Marriage Has Been Legalized in France

« on: Yesterday at 12:57:03 PM »

WOW!!!

What a heated discussion. I have a personally aspect to this, my father is gay. He first felt this way when he was about 12 and tried to kill himself, as he came from a religious family. My grandfather, his father tried to "beat the gay" out of him.  As he grew he suppressed these feelings and married my mother, who had me and my sister. 10yrs of trying to hide/fight his urges, my mother found him with women's clothing and a "male" friend. My family ended as my mom divorced and kept us from our father. My mom did remarry and I have a great step dad. I have spoken to my father since, I call him once in a while to see how he is doing, if he needs anything. I have seen people who seem to have no choice, but then I have seen an abused women who changes to having women companions due to her past male issues. I don't know if ppl are born gay or not, I just will not transgress upon their rights as human beings, perhaps it is a test for our humanity. I found it hard to believe ppl want to mess up their lives, like they have nothing better to do than to say.. I need drama, I know I will be gay! Nature has homosexuality in it among other things, so I don't know. I would not disown my children if they were gay or transgender, I would pray for them and be there as a parent.

I feel they (gays)have that freedom to do with their life as they want and God will do as he pleases with them, does not mean I don't like homosexuality, it destroyed my family.  But to just hate a group of ppl without any mercy, is something I fear God will judge me on. You can hate the act, but you can't oppress another, they will do what they want anyway. I have not seen a punishment in Quran for gays being death. I also think Lot had to do with gang raping of men and the fact they were heterosexual choosing to cause corruption in the land. Homosexuality has existed before Lot so it was not something new, from what I have studied.

I also feel torn when I see a committed gay couple raising an orphan and taking care of a child, when on the other hand there is a women with 5 kids to 5 different men abusing every system out there. Which is worse? IMO the woman with the kids. There is a gay couple here at work that adopted 2 children, those children are not gay and they themselves are married with an established value of commitment from what they observed growing up.

Allahu Alam

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Quran vs hadith

« on: Yesterday at 12:11:19 PM »

what country have 3x letters lie all the time

All countries lie, but here is a detailed list of countries with 3 initials (used for world events mainly) Obviously you have the USA, KSA and UAE. But here are the rest. I agree with man of faith... no one is free from causing the mess in this world.


Afghanistan   AFG
Albania   ALB
Algeria   ALG
American Samoa*   ASA
Andorra   AND
Angola   ANG
Antigua and Barbuda   ANT
Argentina   ARG
Armenia   ARM
Aruba*   ARU
Australia   AUS
Australasia   ANZ
Austria   AUT
Azerbaijan   AZE
The Bahamas   BAH
Bahrain   BRN
Bangladesh   BAN
Barbados   BAR
Belarus   BLR
Belgium   BEL
Belize   BIZ
Bermuda*   BER
Benin   BEN
Bhutan   BHU
Bolivia   BOL
Bosnia and Herzegovina   BIH
Botswana   BOT
Brazil   BRA
British Virgin Islands*   IVB
Brunei   BRU
Bulgaria   BUL
Burkina Faso   BUR
Burundi   BDI
Cambodia   CAM
Cameroon   CMR
Canada   CAN
Cape Verde   CPV
Cayman Islands*   CAY
Central African Republic   CAF
Chad   CHA
Chile   CHI
China   CHN
Colombia   COL
Comoros   COM
Congo, Republic of the   CGO
Congo, Democratic   COD
Republic of the Cook Islands*   COK
Costa Rica   CRC
Cote d'Ivoire   CIV
Croatia   CRO
Cuba   CUB
Cyprus   CYP
Czech Republic   CZE
Denmark   DEN
Djibouti   DJI
Dominica   DMA
Dominican Republic   DOM
East Timor (Timor-Leste)   TLS
Ecuador   ECU
Egypt   EGY
El Salvador   ESA
Equatorial Guinea   GEQ
Eritrea   ERI
Estonia   EST
Ethiopia   ETH
Fiji   FIJ
Finland   FIN
France   FRA
Gabon   GAB
The Gambia   GAM
Georgia   GEO
Germany   GER
Ghana   GHA
Greece   GRE
Grenada   GRN
Guam*   GUM
Guatemala   GUA
Guinea   GUI
Guinea-Bissau   GBS
Guyana   GUY
Haiti   HAI
Honduras   HON
Hong Kong*   HKG
Hungary   HUN
Iceland   ISL
India   IND
Individual Olympic athletes   IOA
Indonesia   INA
Iran   IRI
Iraq   IRQ
Ireland   IRL
Israel   ISR
Italy   ITA
Jamaica   JAM
Japan   JPN
Jordan   JOR
Kazakhstan   KAZ
Kenya   KEN
Korea, North (PDR of Korea)   PRK
Korea, South   KOR
Kuwait   KUW
Kyrgyzstan  KGZ
Laos           LAO
Latvia   LAT
Lebanon   LIB
Lesotho   LES
Liberia   LBR
Libya           LBA
Liechtenstein  LIE
Lithuania   LTU
Luxembourg   LUX
Macedonia   MKD
Madagascar   MAD
Malawi   MAW
Malaya   MAL
Malaysia   MAS
Maldives   MDV
Mali   MLI
Malta   MLT
Mauritania   MTN
Mauritius   MRI
Mexico   MEX
Micronesia (Federated States of)   FSM
Mixed Team (1896 to 1904)   ZZX
Moldova   MDA
Monaco   MON
Mongolia   MGL
Morocco   MAR
Mozambique   MOZ
Myanmar (Burma)   MYA
Namibia   NAM
Nauru   NRU
Nepal   NEP
Netherlands   NED
Netherlands Antilles*   AHO
New Zealand   NZL
Nicaragua   NCA
Niger   NIG
Nigeria   NGR
Norway   NOR
Oman   OMA
Pakistan   PAK
Palau   PLW
Palestine*   PLE
Panama   PAN
Papua New Guinea   PNG
Paraguay   PAR
Peru   PER
Philippines   PHI
Poland   POL
Portugal   POR
Puerto Rico*   PUR
Qatar   QAT
Romania   ROU
Russian Federation   RUS
Rwanda   RWA
Saint Kitts and Nevis   SKN
Saint Lucia   LCA
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines   VIN
Samoa   SAM
San Marino   SMR
Sao Tome and Principe   STP
Saudi Arabia   KSA
Senegal   SEN
Serbia and Montenegro   SCG
Seychelles   SEY
Sierra Leone   SLE
Singapore   SIN
Slovakia   SVK
Slovenia   SLO
Solomon Islands   SOL
Somalia   SOM
South Africa   RSA
South Sudan   
Spain   ESP
Sri Lanka   SRI
Sudan   SUD
Suriname   SUR
Swaziland   SWZ
Sweden   SWE
Switzerland   SUI
Syria            SYR
Taiwan (Chinese Taipei)   TPE
Tajikistan   TJK
Tanzania   TAN
Thailand   THA
Togo           TOG
Tonga   TGA
Trinidad and Tobago   TRI
Tunisia   TUN
Turkey   TUR
Turkmenistan   TKM
Uganda   UGA
Ukraine   UKR
Unified Team   EUN
Unified Team of Germany   EUA
United Arab Emirates   UAE
United Arab Republic   RAU
United Kingdom (Great Britain)   GBR
United States   USA
Uruguay   URU
Uzbekistan   UZB
Vanuatu   VAN
Venezuela   VEN
Vietnam   VIE
Virgin Islands*   ISV
West Indies Federation (Antilles)   ANT
Yemen   YEM
Zambia   ZAM
Zimbabwe   ZIM

 

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General Issues / Questions / Re: The same path of the Bible and the hadeths

« on: May 17, 2013, 01:07:17 PM »

I really like Bart D. Ehrman, I have many of his books! Thanks for the link

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Wandering revert comes to Free Minds

« on: May 15, 2013, 12:32:07 PM »

WELCOME

dsaly1969, I agree with you, hope you enjoy your time here. I will see you on facebook too, Inshallah.

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Quranic Divinity / Re: Mathematical structure of the Quran - Visual presentation

« on: May 10, 2013, 12:10:08 PM »

I have only watched half so far. I dislike math, so I found myself getting drowsy, but I will finish it. It is very informative. Thanks for the link. In school math was my hardest subject. If God talks to mankind in mathematics, I am screwed...lol I have enough trouble with Arabic.

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Sunni/Shia Religion / Re: 73 sects?

« on: May 10, 2013, 08:25:39 AM »

If you can, can I ask you to provide the link of his blog.

Sure thing

http://www.atefmahgoub.com/index.html

It is under construction but should be up soon You can google his name and get more info.

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Hadith Discussions / Re: My salam tale [warning: very boring, don't click here!]

« on: May 09, 2013, 10:58:51 AM »

Guys,

There is an easy solution (if this claim was true). Learn Arabic from Hadith, then once you know the language, discard the hadith. Now you can read at lease one letter of Quran, without the baggage. The claim is you need it to learn the Arabic, so once learned, who needs it.

They are stories and I treat them as such stories. I am not wasting time finding out which one is strong and which ones are weak, not when God says HIS BOOK aka Quran is complete. If you wanna question the credibility or truthfulness of the author of Qur'an you can go right ahead.. I am good. I have always put the words of man between myself and God, I will never do that again.

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Sunni/Shia Religion / Re: 73 sects?

« on: May 09, 2013, 10:27:36 AM »

 

I just feel if I sit back and do nothing, then I can't complain that nothing has changed. I don't sit in my speeches and bash hadith, I just don't use them to get my point across. Now being the Chaplin overtime might raise some difficulties. I just finished the clearances with the jail, so still early on. I know the sunni traditions, when I speak to someone or advise a new convert I teach them the traditional way and I say I personally don't follow that (if it is something I disagree with), however you need to ask the Imam and make your own decision. Perhaps because I don't bash or push my own agenda, it is not a problem. I always quote Quran when I do talk. I figure if God is opening doors, why not walk through them. Nothing is impossible, people can change and not everyone is blind. Actually, you would be amazed how many sisters question hadith or just don't pay mind to them. Most of those women are some of the leaders in my community! The sisters have more control of the masjid than the brothers....lol We have 5 women and 4 men on the board. Maybe my community is different, but I still see heavy sunni traditions. I have gotten an ear full when I wear nail polish or pet the neighbor's dog out side the masjid.

Earthdom, I actually really like my imam. Yes, he uses hadith but he is different. He wrote this whole khutbah on his blog and it was "how stoning is NOT islam". I have had many discussions with him about hadith and issues such as stoning, cutting off a thief's hand and beating of a wife, he said none of these are Islam but ill interpretations. He will actually be on PCNC Night Talk to night in the PGH area, can't wait to watch him. There are times we butt heads. I have told him I disagree or will shake my head at a hadith. Usually if I have proof when I question, he is nothing but kind and respects my opinion. Now the other Imam we had, said I was not a true Muslim and lectured me on numerous accounts and wanted to have intervention meetings with me, I declined of course. Just because I respect my current Imam, does not mean I am loyal to all this interpretations and teachings. Hope that makes sense