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Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

My comments are in red.

Post Precisely To The Point

I want to know a bad word that you consider as bad in my post; if you could point out I will be able to answer and later we will see if this ayat suits as a referential ayat to the content of my post.

I understand this to mean a bad word or a bad idea; after all, words convey ideas. To not value human life because you consider it to be that of a disbeliever or destined to be a disbeliever is a terrible idea.

No one knows who these are at the outset. But by one's associations to Allah on matters in his life, it is possible to understand to an extent, his disbelieving act in those particular matters concerned. The christians beget and breed christians; the hindus beget and breed hindus; the so called muslims beget and breed the so called muslims and so on. This is in general.

It *is* a generalization/stereotype, and like most generalizations/stereotypes it is not 100% true. How many monotheists, even on these forums once followed a different path?  :hmm Based on your comments, none of these people would ever have had a chance!

When you speak from Quran, there is nothing to dispute. When you speak of Quran, there is reason to have different takes; but then we cannot engage in arguments over Quran for only Allah knows the real sense that the ayat carries depending upon the situation and the individuals involved in such circumstances. If individuals' taking is wrong, then sufficient for them is Allah Who might Forgive them. It is because they opined individually and followed not collective opinions as herds.

Now in your above citation 6:164 "Every soul earns what is for it". Each one earns what he gains through the reflection from the admonition of the verses; and also earns that with which he takes sides opting from the general opinions of the people at large. None will carry the burden of another. It is true; no disputes whatsoever. "Every soul earns what is for it". "Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you of what you disputed in." Here we are not disputing I believe. I only said my take; you may take it or leave it. But here, there seems on your part starting a dispute over my point, which shall not be pleasing to God. Your quote of the ayat is uncalled for here as a response to my post.

I do indeed dispute the idea that children "earn" the sins/burdens of their forebears--and posted Qur'anic evidence to support my position. Your position is not unassailable. Are you so proud of your position that you think that not taking it for granted as true is "not pleasing to God?" :rotfl: If you feel any ayat is "uncalled for"...then I'm ~really~ sorry about that!  :)

Living truthfully, in purity, with piety and humility is certain way of God. Falling in line with this is human life, human rights; and Allah is pleased with them. This apart, I do not know what human life and human rights you are speaking about. May I be clarified? "Self proclaimed disbelievers"  -  they are self believers or people with self confidence who believe only in their own ability and shall not believe in the Power of God. And their today's wealth and their large number of people make them say so with Pride. Allah is not pleased with the proud. Siding with Allah, I prefer 1 life over the 2. And no disputes with you by saying this.

Your position is clear. How you are "siding with Allah" is less clear. ALLAH has made it clear that Judgment is for the Almighty alone. Are you doing the Almighty favors? Does the Creator have any needs?

There is no enmity between the people when one believes in befriending Allah and His Malayika.

Is it a subject matter here when I have not disputed it?

It is subject matter because it is an open forum and relates to the topic.

Now kindly give me your take on 71: 27 and 18: 80.

My take on 71:27 is that it pertains to the great flood. 18:80 is explaining the actions of a servant of ALLAH who slayed a youth. These are particular examples for particular incidents. The general instruction found throughout AQ is that all life is valued, that people should be just, kind, patient, should invite others to the Deen, and also be humble.

2:94 Say: "If the abode of the Hereafter has been set exclusively for you with GOD, to the exception of all other people, then you should wish for death if you are truthful!"

5:8 O you who believe, stand for GOD and be witnesses for justice, and let not the hatred towards a people make you avoid being just. Be just, for it is closer to righteousness, and be aware of GOD. GOD is expert over what you do.

6:151 Say: "Come let me recite what your Lord has made unlawful for you: that you should not set up anything with Him; and do good to your parents; and do not kill your children for fear of poverty, We provide for you and for them; and do not come near lewdness, what is evident of it and what is subtle; and do not take the life which GOD has made forbidden, except in justice. That is what He enjoined you that you may comprehend."
17:33 And do not take a life, for GOD has made this forbidden, except in the course of justice. And whoever is killed innocently, then We have given his heir authority, so let him not transgress in the taking of a life, for He will be given victory.

23:52 "And this is your nation, one nation, and I am your Lord so be aware."
23:53 But the affair was disputed between them into segments. Every group happy with what it had.
23:54 So leave them in their error until a time.
25:68 And those who do not call on any other god with GOD; nor do they take the life which GOD has made forbidden, except in justice; nor do they commit adultery. And whoever does will receive the punishment.

49:11 O you who believe, let not any people ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names; miserable indeed is the name of wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does not repent, then these are the transgressors.

88:25 Indeed, to Us is their return.
88:26 Then to Us is their judgment.


May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.



Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

Who would Abort?


A disbeliever, whether he aborts or does not abort his progeny in the womb, it is one and the same.



14:26 And the example of a bad word is like a tree which has been uprooted from the surface of the earth, it has nowhere to settle.

How does one 100% know a believer from a disbeliever? Are children born believers or disbelievers based on their parents?

6:164 Say: "Shall I seek other than GOD as a Lord when He is the Lord of everything?" And every soul earns what is for it, and none will carry the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you of what you disputed in.

Either one respects human life and human rights, or one doesn't. If there was a binary choice between saving the life of 2 self-proclaimed disbelievers or 1 believer, would you prefer 1 life over 2?

41:34 Not equal are the good and the bad response. You shall resort to the one which is better. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend.

A disbeliever can become a believer, ISA. :) Do you suppose that one only invites believers?

41:33 And who is better in saying than he who invites to GOD, and does good works, and says: "I am one of those who have submitted."

ALLAH knows best.



Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

@Huruf: Thank you for your kind words!  :sun:

You keep speaking of Women. I am speaking about the unborn child.  That Women does NOT have a right to KILL HER CHILD. That is murder. Anyone who commits murder should be prosecuted.


If you value human life, seek to help others, not harm others. Banning abortion in all cases would MURDER over 2,000,000 women each year from ectopic pregnancies alone and maim millions more.

Here is a site to an organization that works to reduce maternal and infant mortality around the world. Assist those that want to be helped, if saving human life is your aim.

A zygote is not a human, a blastula is not a human, an embryo is still not a human, and a fetus may or may not be considered human. Although it is an emotional subject, that doesn't give others the right to interfere in a matter that is ultimately between a woman, a lawful partner (if there is one), and the Almighty. Ever hear of reproductive freedom? You are trampling on it.

42:42 The error is upon those who oppress the people, and they aggress in the land without cause. For these will be a painful retribution.

Is abortion worse than polytheism?

98:6 Those who rejected from the people of the Book and the polytheists are in the fires of Hell abiding therein, those are the worst of creation.

Yet...monotheists are not called to aggress against polytheists; we are told to NOT aggress and NOT oppress.

5:87 O you who believe, do not make unlawful the good things that GOD has made lawful to you, and do not aggress; GOD does not love the aggressors.

28:56 You cannot guide whom you love. But it is GOD who guides whom He wills; and He is fully aware of those who receive the guidance.

If one can't guide those that are loved, so much more the case against forcing understanding (even if it is correct) on total strangers!

From a social perspective, imprisoning/killing women for abortion doesn't help society in the least. Are you aware that about half of all pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion (also called miscarriage)--often before a woman is aware she is even pregnant?

Pregnancy in itself is risky and life altering. In some countries, greater than 10% of pregnancies cause maternal death.

What about when contraception is used proactively, and the contraception fails? Are you willing to raise and support the future child/children? How many children have YOU directly adopted/fostered?  :hmm

What about an ectopic pregnancy--very rarely capable of creating a child and fatal about half of the time to a mother when untreated? Ectopic pregnancy happens in about 2% of all pregnancies. Disallow abortion in all cases, and you've just doomed 1% of all pregnant women to die a painful death from ectopic pregnancies alone--over 2,000,000 people a year. But you value life, right?

The conviction that abortion is unlawful in all cases is cold comfort to the families of women that die to forced unavailability.   

What about the mother who didn't know she was pregnant, was given drugs to save her life that mean that in the 5% chance that a baby survives, it will have no limbs and an IQ of around 15 for its limited life? Oh, and the same mother will probably die because of her heart condition if she allows the pregnancy to continue. Should she be forced to die for YOUR beliefs--leaving behind a husband and children?

What about the 10 year old rape victim, now pregnant? Should she be forced to harbor an unwanted parasite? Should she also be forced to care for it until it is of age?

There are many legitimate scenarios why a woman may want an abortion. If abortions are illegal, that doesn't mean that no abortions will occur.  :nope: It means that women will seek abortions illegally, or will induce abortions themselves. Tell me, do you want women dying of gangrene or other disease--or is it better to not impose personal beliefs and set barriers between people and the medical care they seek?

Think on it. The Almighty does NOT require our intercession in this matter. If you were female and pregnant, you would ISA make the best decision...but we can't take away that decision from others without first becoming wrongdoers.

10:109 And follow what is being inspired to you and be patient until GOD judges. And He is the best of judges.

ALLAH knows best.



Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

I personally disagree with abortion. I don't believe that abortion is usually a good choice, except when carrying a child to term would kill the mother.

17:31 And do not kill your children out of concern of poverty; We shall provide for you and them. The killing of them was a big mistake.

On the other hand, I would not deny others their choice.

2:256 There is no compulsion in the system; the proper way has been clarified from the wrong way. Whoever rejects evil, and believes in GOD, indeed he has taken grasp of the strongest hold that will never break. GOD is Hearer, Knower.

Society seems to be more interested in vilifying women than in making sure that men are held accountable for children. Single mothers have a hard life...especially if a child's father is a "deadbeat dad" that doesn't contribute to the welfare of a child. I respect women who, through no fault of their own, raise a child by themselves.

2:233 And the divorced mothers are allowed to suckle their children two full years, if they wish to complete the suckling. And the man for whom the child is born is responsible for both their provisions and clothing equitably. A soul is not burdened except with what it can bear. No mother shall be harmed because of her child, nor shall a father be harmed because of his child. And for the guardian is the same requirement. So if they wish to separate out of mutual agreement and counsel, then there is no sin upon them. And if you want to hire nursing mothers, then there is no sin upon you if you return what you have been given equitably. And be aware of GOD, and know that GOD is watching over what you do.

There is an aphorism that when a person points a finger at another person, they point four fingers back at themself. Rather than point a finger at women who abort, lift a finger to help. Marrying a single mother or adopting are some examples of ways to help.

ALLAH knows best.



Introduce Yourself / Re: Peace
« on: April 22, 2014, 12:35:55 PM »
Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

@A.Wayne:  :welcome:

It is wonderful when people set aside tradition and popularity to seek a true path. This site is not only a place of learning and discourse, but a community for many.

May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.



Introduce Yourself / Re: may peace be on all
« on: April 21, 2014, 10:58:52 PM »
Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

@Kumar:  :welcome:

Monotheism is more important than religion. What is religion except a tool? For all too many people, religion has replaced the Almighty in the psyche.

There are commonalities among religions/systems, such as the Golden Rule.

Even where religions differ, it is often in terms of rites.

22:67 For every nation We have established rites which they are to fulfill. So do not let the matter fall into dispute. And call upon your Lord, for you are on a guidance which is straight.

May the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.



Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

does it not say in the quran that it is forbidden? why come nigh to it?

The Qur'an states that consumption of pork meat is forbidden under ordinary circumstances to followers of the Deen. Likewise, followers of the Deen are told to abstain from praying while drunk/intoxicated. The substances themselves are not unlawful.

Since the substances are not unlawful, and there is no injunction against it, it stands to reason that there is no problem with working at a place that sells them--nor in buying from such a place. Not eating swine flesh is a rite; other people have their own rites to fulfill.

22:67 For every nation We have established rites which they are to fulfill. So do not let the matter fall into dispute. And call upon your Lord, for you are on a guidance which is straight.

ALLAH knows best.



Introduce Yourself / Re: Alone With the Truth
« on: March 25, 2014, 09:26:08 AM »
Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

@TruthSeeker101:  :welcome:

For many, this site is a source of support and interaction. If being a monotheist is a challenge, then it is a worthy challenge! :) There are definitely more monotheists than those who follow Qur'an only--don't forget about these people, because they are truly brothers and sisters in faith.

It is not rites that make a monotheist.

ALLAH knows best.



General Issues / Questions / Re: i don't get why tashahud is haram
« on: March 25, 2014, 09:16:21 AM »
Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

I don't claim that this or that is haram or halal; no human has the right to make such a claim.

Imo, it depends on context. Mentioning others in prayer seems harmless so long as we are not asking those others for help. I would not personally single out any one Prophet or Messenger to ask the Almighty to bless--Peace upon them all!

May ALLAH see fit to guide all seekers. Are the seekers being worshipped?  :nope:

ALLAH knows best.



Discuss Latest News/Events / Re: Ukraine cold war
« on: March 24, 2014, 09:28:18 PM »
Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

I agree that self determination should be honored--but contracts should also be honored. Russia is indulging itself at the expense of its neighbors--and at the expense of its economy and world reputation.

When the Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons, Russia, United States, and other world powers agreed to keep their hands off the Ukraine. (

Maybe it is time for the Ukraine to regain nuclear weapons status...why have a unilateral contract?

What happens if this repeats in Estonia, Latvia, or Belarus? What was Russia's position on Chechnya and its independence?  :hmm

ALLAH knows best.



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