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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: How do you interpret verses on hell

« on: October 06, 2010, 12:06:03 PM »

From what I have found, as many other terms in the Quran.. Jahannam itself is not an arabic word but Hebrew.. And it used to mean the 'Valley of Hinnom' .. The example of this valley has been used to described the painful and distressful state of the unbelievers.  It is also know as Gehenna..

The exact location of the Valley of Hinnom is disputed. Older commentaries give the location as below the southern wall of ancient Jerusalem, stretching from the foot of Mount Zion eastward past the Tyropoeon to the Kidron Valley. However the Tyropoeon Valley is usually no longer associated with the Valley of Hinnom because during the period of Ahaz and Manasseh, the Tyropoeon lay within the city walls and child sacrifice would have been practiced outside the walls of the city. Smith (1907),[5] Dalman (1930),[6] Bailey (1986)[7] and Watson (1992)[8] identify the Wadi er-Rababi, which fits the data of Joshua that Hinnom ran East to West and lay outside the city walls. According to Joshua, the valley began in En-rogel. If the modern Bir Ayyub is En-rogel then the Wadi er-Rababi which begins there is Hinnom.[9]
In the King James Version of the Bible, the term appears 13 times in 11 different verses as "valley of Hinnom," "valley of the son of Hinnom" or "valley of the children of Hinnom."

I tend to think the Hell is used as a metaphore to describe the state of the unbelievers in the next life.

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Inside the Koran

« on: October 06, 2010, 11:45:23 AM »

Thank you 

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General Issues / Questions / Re: The Night of Decree is the 27th day of the 9th moon: Incontrovertible proof

« on: October 01, 2010, 07:19:19 AM »

Finally, you spoke the truth: “I dont know what i am writing right now!”

If you knew what you are writing then you would have known that the clear marker bull …. you are advocating should require No technological aid to determine the so called clear marker. In other word, regular Joe Schmo should find the marker with their naked eyes. Therefore, when you brought the mayan crap you were contradicting yourself with your dearest clear marker concept. Didn’t I tell you that you don’t know the implication of your own writing?

How was it a contradiction?  Sorry... i did not know the mayan had telescopes and satellites in orbit... had i know, it would not have said that!!  I am looking forward to read your thesis on the Mayan civilization and their astronomical might for their time.  I do not know what I would be without you! 

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General Issues / Questions / Re: The Night of Decree is the 27th day of the 9th moon: Incontrovertible proof

« on: September 30, 2010, 01:17:27 PM »

Hey, I thought you were hiding behind Ayisha’s skirt.

 

You had to come out to make fun of yourself again. Didn’t I tell you that you don’t know the implication of your own writing? Like Ayisha you respond without even understanding the question.

No... we know nothing here... you are the only person who knows everything... guess what... I dont know what i am writing right now!

For your information the Full Moon, the moon day before the full moon, and the moon day after the full moon, looks the same with naked eyes. You need telescope or binocular to see the difference in the moon disk. I suppose the average Arabs during the time of Prophet Muhammad was walking with a telescope to find the easy marker. If you remove the calculated full moon reference from you head you will pick the day before or the day after moon as the full moon.

Hmmm... the arabs failed to do this.. by civilizations which predates the arabs by long periods were able to do this.... and moreover, they did it accurately... Such as the mayan calendar.. which remains accurate upto this date.. each eclipse and every moon phases are accurate..   http://www.scribd.com/doc/36215072/Maya-Astronomy

Keep your garbage in your mouth next time!  Do not come here to distort facts...

Unlike you, I have already validated the theory with an experiment. I asked people who knew nothing about the experiment, to identify the moon that appeared one day before the full moon; they said it was a full moon. An error! I did the same with the moon that appeared day after the full moon. They said it was a full moon. Another error. And you call this a clear cut marker. Lies after lies whose root can be traced back to root meaning dictionary.

Seems that according to you... God made an error and every one of us should have been born with telescopic eyes or with a binocular in hand... this is pure bull_____!

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General Issues / Questions / Re: The Night of Decree is the 27th day of the 9th moon: Incontrovertible proof

« on: September 30, 2010, 08:29:19 AM »

Peace

How do you determine the full moon? What is the criterion?

How do you know that full moon you are looking at is a FULL MOON not a day away from the actual full moon? 

Seems we have someone who never took the time to observe the moon in his entire life... poor lad.  Maybe he should try to measure the roundness of the moon with a coin... or an egg ... or an orange...

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General Issues / Questions / Re: How comes there's no Quran channel

« on: September 29, 2010, 06:19:54 AM »

Interesting... the quran is silent on Jesus peace be upon him in regard to his sign before the hour as according to quran Qur'an 43:61 and the verses before it?

This is a wrong interpretation... because there is enough proof in quran indicating that Jesus passed away... so it is not logical for Jesus to be a sign before the Hour unless you say he WAS a sign... However, the pronoun HU is being interpreted as referring to the Quran itself... Here is what M.Asad wrote in his interpretation of the verse.

Whereas most of the commentators regard the pronoun hu in innahu as relating to Jesus and, consequently, interpret the above phrase as "he is indeed a means to know [i.e., an indication of the coming of] the Last Hour", some authorities - e.g., Qatadah, Al-Hasan al-Basri and Sa'id ibn Jubayr (all of them quoted by Tabari, Baghawi and Ibn Kathir) - relate the pronoun to the Qur'an, and understand the phrase in the sense adopted in my rendering. The specific mention of the Last Hour in the above context is meant to stress man's ultimate responsibility before the Creator and, therefore, the fact that worship is due to Him alone: and so this parenthetic passage follows logically upon the mention of the false deification of Jesus.

Peace

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General Issues / Questions / Re: The Night of Decree is the 27th day of the 9th moon: Incontrovertible proof

« on: September 28, 2010, 12:57:51 PM »

[The true color of your buddy (WayFinder) has been exposed and he realizes it and went into hiding. ]

You are waaaay tooo smart for me... 

I think you should feel really good now... 

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General Issues / Questions / WithOUT GOD = WithIN GOD?? True or False?

« on: September 28, 2010, 10:56:11 AM »

Peace

NO one can exists without GOD ... taking in mind, all aspects and implications of the statement... therefore, is the statement below the same as the former...

NOTHING CAN EXIST WITHOUT GOD = EVERYTHING CAN EXIST WITHIN GOD

Share your thoughts!

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Do the FRUITS mentioned in the Quran GROW in Makkah or immediate regions?

« on: September 26, 2010, 01:22:41 PM »

I think in a desert you always can grow whatever you like provided you have water and provided they correspod to the latitude. That is in fact the case of Egypt, a long oasis in upper Egypt and a wider and shorter one in Lowe Egypt. Mecca must be an oasis, otherwise you couldn't  have people living there nor have dates either. And if there was waterm surely you could have pomegranate, grapes and any other plant that can grow at that latitude. Surely not in  the same bulk as in Egypt, but seems unreal to me that the only plant that could grow in Mecca should be dates. People had orchards and gardens as far as I can grasp.


Salaam

Infact I have spoken about this issue with my uncle who worked for 7 years in KSA and he confirmed me that these fruits are grown in the neighboring regions of Makkah and have also seen them in Taif and Riyadh... he has seen vineyard and watermelon culture etc... He told me all these fruits are grown there.. and as you say... they are not grown in bulk but they do grow.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: The Night of Decree is the 27th day of the 9th moon: Incontrovertible proof

« on: September 24, 2010, 12:44:02 PM »

Are the phases of moon measured by watches?

How would you know it is the ninth moon?