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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: :: Salloo = Salaat ??? ::

« on: February 10, 2012, 03:01:36 PM »

Peace mmkhan,

I have been looking at the same thing and I would tend to agree with you.

I have been taking a deeper look into the salat concept. I have a few questions or thoughts that I would appreciate some input on.

First, in 2:125, 75:31, 87:15, 96:10, 3:39, 33:43, 17:18, 84:12, 87:12, 88:492:15, 111:3, 19:70, 56:94, 4:30, 4:56, 74:26 it seems more appropriate to assign the root ص ل ى .

Second, 9:84, 33:56, 9:103, 108:2, 70:22, 74:43, 107:4, 4:10, 14:29, 38:56, 58:8, 82:15, 36:64, 52:16, 37:163, 38:59, 83:16, 69:31, 4:115, two places in 4:102 it seems more appropriate to assign the root ص ل ل .

Where the ص ل و root does fit, we find that most places the ending letter is the "taa marboota" (ة), but in 2:157, 2:238, 9:99 it is written with the "open taa" (ت). Why is this.

We also find that in 6:92, 6:162, 8:35, 17:110, 23:2, 24:41, 70:23, 70:34, 107:5, the word is written as صلات instead of صلوات or صلواة .

What are your thoughts on this?

Imraan

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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: Ritual Salaat---No Confusion---I think!

« on: February 10, 2012, 02:54:37 PM »

Peace All

The problem I see here is the assumption that there are only two options. This has resulted in splitting the usage rather than trying to find a consistent application of the concept of salat in Quran.

Imraan

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North America / Re: British Columbia

« on: January 29, 2012, 01:31:56 AM »

Peace JLM

Where in BC are you?

Imraan

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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: Coping without Salat

« on: January 29, 2012, 01:19:52 AM »

Peace Dawn and Cow,

What I am saying is that if we are saying that the format of our salat is seen as a certain number of rakats involving a certain number of bowings, prostrations, etc. and if this is based on the example of Abraham, we should apply the same standard regarding Abraham as we do regarding Muhammad. That is, if we cannot accept those things outside of Quran as being truth without doubt regarding Muhammad, why should we do so regarding Abraham.

Cow, it makes no difference whether we view Muhammad, Abraham, etc. as the same. Once we apply different standards we apply a double standard. I'm aware of 22:78, but the same principal applies.

Imraan

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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: Coping without Salat

« on: January 26, 2012, 09:56:54 AM »

Peace Cow,

The problem I see with accepting that we get our format of salat from Abraham is that it requires applying a double standard.

How can we insist that the example of Muhammad be taken from within the Quran, yet allow the example of Abraham to be taken from outside the Quran?

Imraan

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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: So what does salat=meeting actually look like?

« on: January 26, 2012, 09:53:03 AM »

Peace Dawn,

Here are some of my notes on salat. These need some revising, but it still gives my understanding of salat and some of the concepts surrounding it.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/31518815/Quranic%20Salat%20and%20its%20Role%20in%20Establishing%20Islam%20and%20Iman.pdf

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/31518815/THE%20PURPOSE%20OF%20SALAT%20DETAILED.pdf

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/31518815/Defining%20Salat.pdf

Imraan

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General Issues / Questions / Quran Only Numbers

« on: January 17, 2012, 06:08:29 PM »

Peace All,

I'm curious to know how many members here actively view discussions, even if it means just reading threads and not posting.

One of the reasons is because I am trying to find out what kind of numbers there are internationally as far as Quran Alone goes. There has been an estimation on ourbeacon of 100 million worldwide. Does anybody have any idea if this is accurate?

Imraan

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Pilgrimage (Hajj) / Re: "Salat" Arabic Root " Saad, laam, waw (yeh)"Since salaat is an important part of

« on: December 19, 2011, 07:19:28 PM »

Peace,

If we look at all the صل roots in Quran, it gives us an idea of the common thread that runs through all of them. I have just started looking at these and I was wondering if anybody has done a similar study or knows of a similar study and could provide a link to such a study that may help in my research. In fact, there may even be a link to all roots in Quran that have ل as the middle letter of the tri-literal root. Any input on this would be appreciated.

Imraan

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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: My PERSONAL conclusions about salaat (contact prayer)

« on: December 13, 2011, 08:02:55 PM »

Thanks Kaiokenred.

This was aimed at those who accept these timings and  directions.

Imraan

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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: My PERSONAL conclusions about salaat (contact prayer)

« on: December 12, 2011, 11:25:24 PM »

Peace All,

A few questions.

How does one observe the timings at the poles or close to them?

How does one face Mecca from most places on earth when it is, in fact a physical impossibility since the earth is not flat?

Imraan