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Salaam Bender - it appears to me that the contradiction is intentional - it is a writing style to make you think, because from a scientific point of view, if you take away everything we know about obeying God and what God has told us about Paradise and Hell, there hereafter, then it does indeed seem that this life is completely pointless.

The fact that their IS a God who can take us from non-existence into existence then we die back to non-existence - without God who can then take us from this state of death and bring us back to life, there is no point to life what so ever, as mentioned in the article: nothing would exist from the point of a non-existence point of view, like the state of you and me before we were born.

I hope this makes sense to you?



Allah did not create a single thing pointless.

Yes from the point of someone who does not exists (I doubt it has a point of view as it does not exsist  ;) ) there is nothing beyond non-existence.
BUT luckily for us we EXISIST  :yay: So we have a point  :yay: so we should life our life with a goal  :yay:
Isn't it great to be a life and to have goal  :yay: looks to me a waste of life to live your life pointless  :yes


btw. please reread the verses he quoted, they are a light for those who wants to get out of darkness.

So I was pointed to a really nice website by TrueSeeker101 and I found an article on there which I found pretty much really hit the nail on the head - my line of thinking is in tune with this article - check it out and let's discuss our conclusions.

There is a warning at the beginning of the article that it is not suitable for anyone suffering from depression or anything similar - So I repeat that warning here: this article might be unsuitable for people suffering from depression or anything similar!

However I strongly recommend reading it - I learned of new Quranic truths and I'm sure it can be helpful for others too.


Not sure why you strongly recommend reading it  :hmm

The conclusions he makes are in many ways flawed.

btw are the title and conclusion of the article not contradicting each other?
title: Pointless Life
conclusion: Those who believe in Revelations claimed to be from God, warning them of a Day of Judgement and the existence of an eternal Heaven or Hell, have the only objective meaning of trying to follow those Revelations as this will determine an after-life. Everything else is totally pointless.



6:164 قُلْ أَغَيْرَ اللَّـهِ أَبْغِي رَبًّا وَهُوَ رَبُّ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ ۚ وَلَا تَكْسِبُ كُلُّ نَفْسٍ إِلَّا عَلَيْهَا ۚ وَلَا تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرَىٰ ۚ ثُمَّ إِلَىٰ رَبِّكُم مَّرْجِعُكُمْ فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ
6:164 Say, "Is it other than Allah I should desire as a lord while He is the Lord of all things? And every soul earns not except against itself, and no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ."

There are many more aayaat which explains that we should look for ourselves 5:105. Start looking at yourself first, then you will not get time to look at others. We are not responsible for others, but they are responsible for themselves. Allah is not going to ask us about them, but we have to give our own account. So, thinking and worrying about others may stop you thinking about yourself.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path :pr

Salaamun alayka bro,

Totally not agreed!  :nope:


Could be...

As even the actual meaning of words changes over time...
The word "islam" is a good example, "arab" is another good example..
The word "islam" and "arab" today has different meanings compared with the word "islam" and "arab"  1400 years ago.


RED: In The Quran it had x years ago the same meaning as now, and it will have the same meaning x years from now.


Science / Re: astronomy
« on: February 24, 2014, 06:10:09 AM »

is this first milky way is called as the first heaven or the first floor of the seaven heavens  or the other galaxies present beside the milky way together they make a  first heaven of the seven heavens ?

allah says that this is the nearest heaven ....

41:11 And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

or   this one.....the whole universe that we see is called as the first heaven of the seven heavens

whats your opinion which is  the first heaven  :hmm

Salaamun alayka bro,

In my opinion Al-Samaa Al-Dunya is everything in our reach, thus also the objects which are billions of light-years away.

I have a a different opinion on sab3a samawaatin but that is a different topic.


btw it's not 41:11 but 12  ;)

Peace all,

Simple question that has been bothering me. Perhaps some of you might know of a response from the Quran itself.

Why protect the Quran from forgery and falsification, and not protect the previous revelations?


Becasuse Al-Indjeel, Al-Tawraat and Al-Zaboor are not books, and they never got corrupted.


General Issues / Questions / Re: 1 Intro + 113 Surahs???
« on: February 21, 2014, 05:38:32 AM »

i am sad to remark that i have the same position as bender




General Issues / Questions / Re: 1 Intro + 113 Surahs???
« on: February 20, 2014, 04:13:40 PM »
Brother bender, this does not work for gold copper or any other metal or element found in the Quran. You will notice that iron is also mentionned 4 times in the Quran and of course only work for one. I think you are confusing with the theory of the submitters who find 19 everywhere and want to set a mathematical code. There is no code but only signs that the Book is the Truth.
If you find it a 'trick' i'll advise you 'An introduction to mathematical philosophy' by Bertrand Russell if you are not aware of the principles behind Mathematics and see if mathematics rely on tricks.


With backwards reasoning one can "prove" everything he wants. One does not need to read 'An introduction to mathematical philosophy' to do this and to understand this.
And sure it works most of times only in 1 occasion, because the method was fine tuned only for 1 "important" result. So the probability that the "trick" will work for other occasions is very small.

For me it would be only a discovery if a method is repeatable for all occasions, then I would call it a discovery instead of a trick.


Islamic Constitution / Re: Jizya is not a tax
« on: February 20, 2014, 02:39:43 PM »
Islam have tax?? you mean Islam imposed tax?
What is Islam? and why does somebody need to pay tax to it?

Now on taxation (which has no correlation whatsoever with islam)
Tax is a mean for a government/administration of a society to have an income which MUST be used to provide services to its citizens or member of such society.

I agree with noshirk that TAX rate based on faith is totally ridiculous.
It's as ridiculous as TAX rate based on gender, race / ethnicity, political parties, favorite music and hobbies..
(Because you're black then your tax rate is higher than white, because you love Justin Beiber your tax rate is higher than those who hate Justin Beiber, Because you're a shiite then your tax rate is higher than sunnis etc..)

The benefits / services realized due to taxation must also bring benefits to all member of specific society
Regardless of their faith, gender, race / ethnicity, political parties, favorite music and hobbies..

We can have a debate on taxation rate based on "Capability To Pay" or "Benefits Received" principle. Or mixture of both.
But TAX rate based on faith is totally ridiculous..

A government who imposed tax rate discrimination based on faith / opinion will not last long.
As it brings injustice to certain segment of society, and that segment of society shall eventually start out their rebellion due to the injustice.
The society will be fragmented and unity will not be achieved.
And it's definitely proven by digging into past history..

Salam / Peace


totally agreed  :handshake:


General Issues / Questions / Re: 1 Intro + 113 Surahs???
« on: February 19, 2014, 05:58:52 PM »
Peace the Nabster The quran is divided in surahs and verses and in each verse there is a certain number of words. To understand it well, see the quran as  composed of 113 boxes (surahs)on top of each other, each box has got a variable number of drawers (each representing a verse in the surah) and in each drawer a variable number of sheets of paper (each representing a word of the verse)

Now if we want to see where is the word al hadid, not in other 3 places where the word appears in the Q but this particular one found in Surah Al Hadid that by which ' God would distinguish those who would support Him and His messengers in the unseen', we see that it appears in 56:26 (57:25 in conventional numbering but I've explained why i've arrived at this new numbering) and that it is the thirteenth word of this 26th verse comprising of 28 words. Lets get back to our boxes drawers and sheets of paper. If you want to reach the 13th sheet of the 26th drawer of th 56th box, you will have to take out

- 55 boxes to reach the 56th box

- 25 drawers  to reach the 26th drawer but remember its only part of a box that contain 30 drawers (30 verses)

so till now you have taken out (55 + 25/30) box

- and 12 sheets of paper to reach the 13th sheet in a drawer that contains 28 sheets that is 12/28 of a drawer and here a drawer is 1/30 of a box so you will have to remove 12/28*1/30

In total you will have to remove 55 + 25/30 + 12/28*1/30 = 55.847


Can you do the same trick with the word most translators translate as gold, for example 3:91?


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