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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: More salat and ra'kat discussion

« on: Today at 02:57:42 AM »

2:238 does not mention DAILY Salaats, but that is what we logically understand from it, i.e. we perform SALAAH, as a DAILY ritual.

Salaamun alayka,

2:43 And alssalata waatoo alzzakata and kneel with those who kneel.

How many times a day do you understand from this ayaat that we have to perform the sallaat.
And what about al-zakaat? Is it also on daily basis?

The root word “WA-SA-TA” means: middle, center, midmost, midst, midway, halfway, average, median, medium, moderate, and neutral.

In all the verses you’ve mentioned, it more or less, means the same. In 2:143 it can mean, moderate and or neutral. In 5:89 it means, median and or moderate. In 68:28 it means one from their midst.

2:143
وَكَذَٰلِكَ جَعَلْنَاكُمْ أُمَّةً وَسَطًا لِّتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاءَ عَلَى النَّاسِ وَيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ عَلَيْكُمْ شَهِيدًا ۗ وَمَا جَعَلْنَا الْقِبْلَةَ الَّتِي كُنتَ عَلَيْهَا إِلَّا لِنَعْلَمَ مَن يَتَّبِعُ الرَّسُولَ مِمَّن يَنقَلِبُ عَلَىٰ عَقِبَيْهِ ۚ وَإِن كَانَتْ لَكَبِيرَةً إِلَّا عَلَى الَّذِينَ هَدَى اللَّهُ ۗ وَمَا كَانَ اللَّهُ لِيُضِيعَ إِيمَانَكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بِالنَّاسِ لَرَءُوفٌ رَّحِيمٌ[/size]

Are we just a moderate umma

 

5:89
لَا يُؤَاخِذُكُمُ اللَّهُ بِاللَّغْوِ فِي أَيْمَانِكُمْ وَلَـٰكِن يُؤَاخِذُكُم بِمَا عَقَّدتُّمُ الْأَيْمَانَ ۖ فَكَفَّارَتُهُ إِطْعَامُ عَشَرَةِ مَسَاكِينَ مِنْ أَوْسَطِ مَا تُطْعِمُونَ أَهْلِيكُمْ أَوْ كِسْوَتُهُمْ أَوْ تَحْرِيرُ رَقَبَةٍ ۖ فَمَن لَّمْ يَجِدْ فَصِيَامُ ثَلَاثَةِ أَيَّامٍ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ كَفَّارَةُ أَيْمَانِكُمْ إِذَا حَلَفْتُمْ ۚ وَاحْفَظُوا أَيْمَانَكُمْ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ

What does "median"/"moderate" food mean?

68:28
قَالَ أَوْسَطُهُمْ أَلَمْ أَقُل لَّكُمْ لَوْلَا تُسَبِّحُونَ

Wat was the best man doing in the story?

Peace,
Khalil

Salaam,
Bender

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Which punishment do you feel is worse to have?

« on: Yesterday at 04:10:51 PM »

Salaam huruf,

I was thinking that in many aayaat Qa-Ta-A3 is used in not physical/literal way, such as in 2:27, 3:127, 8:7, 9:121, 13:25, 22:15, etc. And IF we are taking Qa-Ta-A3 in 5:38 in literal sense ONLY because of the word hands used in it, then why not to take the same in 12:50?


May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path
mmKhan

Salaamun alayka,

Well tafsirs say actually that they cutted their hands 
But ofcourse in different way. In 5:38 it means chopping but in 12:50 is means only cutting.

Anyways I think the first problem is the correct definition of "aydiyahuma".
How does  the  blue/green Hand(s) look like if they are hands?:
5:64 "...   وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ يَدُ اللَّـهِ مَغْلُولَةٌ ۚ غُلَّتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَلُعِنُوا بِمَا قَالُوا ۘ بَلْ يَدَاهُ مَبْسُوطَتَانِ يُنفِقُ كَيْفَ يَشَاءُ"
48:10 "... إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُبَايِعُونَكَ إِنَّمَا يُبَايِعُونَ اللَّـهَ يَدُ اللَّـهِ فَوْقَ أَيْدِيهِمْ  ""

Salaam,
Bender

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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: More salat and ra'kat discussion

« on: May 18, 2013, 04:03:52 PM »

Peace Bender,

How would you translate 2/238?

[49:10] The believers are members of one family; you shall keep the peace within
your family and reverence GOD, that you may attain mercy.

   

Salaamun alayka hawk99,

instead of "middle" I think a word like "foremost" would be more precise.

Salaam,
Bender

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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: More salat and ra'kat discussion

« on: May 18, 2013, 01:34:13 PM »

The highlight above is from me.

Verse 2:238 determines the number of SALAATs/prayers, per day. The verse commands us to safeguard over our SALAWAAT/prayers and the SALAATULWUSTA. The Arabic word SALAWAAT is plural and must be at least 3. The word SALAATULWUSTA means the MIDDLE prayer. From this we conclude that the total number of daily SALAATs must be at least 5. The proof is that, SALAWAAT cannot be 3, because 3 is an odd number and has no middle. It should be 4 in order for the SALAATULWUSTA to sit right in the middle of it. 4=2+2. So, the total number of daily SALAATs/prayers=2+SALAATULWUSTA+2=5.

Verse 2:238,
حَافِظُوا عَلَى الصَّلَوَاتِ وَالصَّلَاةِ الْوُسْطَىٰ وَقُومُوا لِلَّهِ قَانِتِينَ
Safeguard over your prayers and the middle prayer and stand before Allaah with devotion.

Peace,
Khalil

Salaamun alayka,

RED:  2:238 does not say per day

BLUE: As per my current understanding "WUSTA" does not mean middle. You can look at 2:143,  5:89 and 68:28 for a better defintion.

salaam,
Bender

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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: More salat and ra'kat discussion

« on: May 17, 2013, 07:39:13 AM »

Peace Bender, Kgwithnob

But I will keep reciting the Jesus prayer because I think it was a true prayer and not an invention. Lord of Heaven might be better though, I think the original translation might be flawed. It is like a supplication (dua) for me. If you have read these 7 verses you will realize there is nothing wrong with it.

God bless the three of you

Salaamun alayka,

I went to a Christian elementary school when I was young. We did the prayer every morning and afternoon.  From what I remember, it looks like a translation of the first chapter of The Quran which evolved by time (I mean the translation).

Salaam and may Allah bless you 2,
Bender

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Submitters / Code 19 / Re: prime "Messenger/Message of the Covenant" has arrived!

« on: May 17, 2013, 04:06:21 AM »

Salaam to all,

And hence, bear witness that you have thus most clearly and openly received this "Invitation" (=3/31-32) from this prime "Messenger/MESSAGE of the Covenant"
here now.
And so there will absolutely be no excuse before AL-LAH for those who choose to ignore this "Invitation" (=3/31-32)
and break this most critical and important "Covenant" of AL-LAH therein now (3/81-82 = 33/7-8),
despite all of those "19" coded, priceless and matchless, most Superb "Symmetrical Miracles" presented above.
 
And those who rightfully choose to accept this "Invitation" (=3/31-32) and thus truly observe this most critical and important "Covenant" of AL-LAH
therein now (3/81-82 = 33/7-8),
due to all of these "19" coded, priceless and matchless, most Superb "Symmetrical Miracles" presented above,
shall thus attain, inshaAl-lah, great Rewards of/from AL-LAH, now and forever. (=4/69-70 & 47/7 & 61/14 & ...)        [/font]

Salaamun alayka,

What is exactly the invitation? 3:31-32 reads (FM translation):
3:31 Say: "If you love God then follow me so God will love you and forgive your sins." God is Forgiver, Merciful.
3:32 Say: "Obey God and the messenger." But if they turn away, then God does not love the rejecters.

In what should I follow you and in what should I obey you?

Salaam,
Bender

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Who is ideal translator in your consideration?

« on: May 17, 2013, 02:50:15 AM »

Salamun alaika,
I think we also need to look at English grammar book. What you have written still does make a little sense. But you remove words after "you may suffer", both the sentences seem meaningless and contradictory.

The conjunction "so" denotes: in order that: introduces the reason for doing what has just been mentioned. And what is mentioned before it is "We did not send the Qur'aan to you". And the whole sentence would be: "We did not send the Qur'aan to you in order that you may suffer". This sentence in English does not confirm sending of Qur'aan but negation of sending.

Salaamun alayka,

I thought you already understood that I copy-pasted it from FM translation with an insertion to make a point, and I thought that you would understand the point I was making, but I was wrong in assuming it. Unfortunatly you are more interested in correcting my english rather then discussing the ayaats of The Quran.

Anyways I am out of this discussion.

May Allah open up our eyes and not mix up truth with falsehood 

Salaam,
Bender

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Who is ideal translator in your consideration?

« on: May 17, 2013, 02:44:37 AM »

Salamun alaika,

Illa in Arabic and exceptive words in English are used for economy.   In English example exception was about the act of seeing relating to two different things - genus [humand beings and baggage]. Use of except yielded economy of repeating the act.

Salaamun alayka,

The whole Quran is written in economy, there is not 1 letter to much or to little.
Allah could have revealed " فَبِأَيِّ آلَاءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ " only once for economy if He wished to do so, but He did it 31 times.

Please take a look at the next:
A 20:17 وَمَا تِلْكَ بِيَمِينِكَ يَا مُوسَىٰ
A 20:18 قَالَ هِيَ عَصَايَ
أَتَوَكَّأُ عَلَيْهَا
 وَأَهُشُّ بِهَا عَلَىٰ غَنَمِي
 وَلِيَ فِيهَا مَآرِبُ أُخْرَىٰ
A 20:19 قَالَ أَلْقِهَا يَا مُوسَىٰ
A 20:20 فَأَلْقَاهَا فَإِذَا هِيَ حَيَّةٌ تَسْعَىٰ   
A 20:21 قَالَ خُذْهَا وَلَا تَخَفْ ۖ سَنُعِيدُهَا سِيرَتَهَا الْأُولَىٰ

A 26:32 فَأَلْقَىٰ عَصَاهُ فَإِذَا هِيَ ثُعْبَانٌ مُّبِينٌ
A 26:45 فَأَلْقَىٰ مُوسَىٰ عَصَاهُ فَإِذَا هِيَ تَلْقَفُ مَا يَأْفِكُونَ

InshaAllah it will make you ponder on the use of every term in The Quran.

Change of form of address by name or by pronoun does not change the actual person.

The actual person is undefined here (that means without name), you can try to hang a name on it by inserting it by force in the text or by adding brackets or by footnotes or any other form but Allah will establish His ayaats and He is 3aleemun Hakeemun.

Please run through some grammar book about the Arabic pronouns. Thereat, we might continue about "Ka" issue as to who is that person identified by it.

If you can name me 1 grammar book about the Arabic pronouns which is " تَنزِيلًا مِّمَّنْ خَلَقَ الْأَرْضَ وَالسَّمَاوَاتِ الْعُلَى " then I will be happy to study it, otherwise I am not interested.

Salaam,
Bender

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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: More salat and ra'kat discussion

« on: May 16, 2013, 08:45:08 AM »

Please share to me @Man of Faith, how you can salat for  long time?What kind of your salat?meditation or something?what do you recite during that minutes?

It' nothing.But your action remind me when I still follow a shirk martial arts 5 years ago.The senior gave me a paper with some du'as (which quoted from Quran n Hadith) written on it.Then after salat, I must recite that du'as in thousand time and must finished it in one day, of course, my salat can be done in one hour, two hours.I must do this for three days, then the senior claimed that I will get new "power".

 

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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: More salat and ra'kat discussion

« on: May 16, 2013, 08:42:46 AM »

Peace Bender,

Anyway, the meaning with Lord in Heaven is not to mean he is confined there and has no might over Earth, it is just a saying. I usually see Heaven as the whole Universe, including Earth. I am sure Jesus never had any polytheistic mindset.

I am still certain that God is present here through the Holy Spirit mainly and reside in His own place. In some verse in Quran it says something like: "Do they wait until God comes with His angels?". I see the Holy Spirit as the energy of God, so He sure is present here in ways and can control everything.

Even if the verse I posted did not mean to specifically say salam to God I doubt it is blasphemous to say hello to my maker while I mention his powerful attributes.

Ah well, I do as I can to serve my Lord.

God bless you

Salaamun alayka MoF,

I already understood  that you meant something like "hi" with "salaam".
But in Quranic arabic it has different meaning. for example "salaamun alayka" means something like "peace be upon you".
It is kind of weird to say something like that to Allah.

REDs:
If ones reads them then it reads like a personification of God.
Remember verses like this:
25:59 The One who has created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six days, then He settled upon the Throne. The Almighty; so ask Him for He is Expert.
Before He created the heavens and the earth and what is between them where was He?
I think it is better to say something like "Lord of Heaven" instead of "Lord in Heaven"

Salaam,
Bender