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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Rome - Surat Ar- Rum

« on: April 30, 2013, 12:03:35 PM »

Salam..

It depends on how you accentuate the Arabic letters (the dialectic marks). 

If you read it as GHULIBAT, it will mean "they are defeated"

If you read it as GHALABAT, it will say the opposite:  "they have won".

Remember that the earliest Quran manuscripts did not have any dialelctic marks. These were added during the 9th Century AD by mostly Persian scholars.  This is why some modern scholars are calling for the return of the text to its original (unaccentuated) form, and trying to deduce the correct way to read it from the context of the passage.

Regards.

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer

« on: April 22, 2013, 11:36:31 PM »

Salam, noshirk

So BACCA can simply means a crowded place and Bacca of Muhammad can be not the Bacca of Abraham.

How did you come to this conclusion? 

Doesn't the Quran say that The Sanctuary (al-Bayt) that was cleansed by Abraham is the one at Bakkah? So if Bakkah simply means "crowded place", the passage would be rendered as such:

{The first Sanctuary established for the people is the one at a crowded place, blessed, and a guidance for the worlds * In it are clear signs: the station of Abraham. And whoever enters it will be secure. And Allah is owed from the people to make hajj to the Sanctuary, whoever has the means to do so. And whoever rejects, then Allah has no need of the worlds}...[3:96,97]

Does this seem logical to you?  Why would Allah instruct people to make Hajj to a place that He specifically designated as the first ever of its kind that was established for humanity, and clearly refer to it as being the place that Abraham was lead to, only to have such a vague description of its location? 

The term "Al-Bayt" that appears numerous times in the Quran refers to THE Sanctuary (the first one ever of its kind established for the people), which happens to be in Arabia.

{And We have made the Sanctuary to be a model for the people and a security. And you shall take, from the station of Abraham, a place for making the contact. And We entrusted to Abraham and Ishmael: "You shall purify My Sanctuary for those who visit, and those who are devoted, and the kneeling, the prostrating}...[2:215]

{And as Abraham removed the qawa'id from the Sanctuary , along with Ismael: "Our Rabb, accept this from us, You are the Hearer, the Knowledgeable}...[2:217]

{O you who believe, do not violate the symbols of Allah, nor the forbidden month, nor the donations, nor what is regulated, nor the safety made by the Forbidden Sanctuary; for they are seeking a bounty from their Lord and a blessing...}...[5:2]

{Allah has made the kaa'bah to be the Forbidden Sanctuary; to enforce for the people, and for the forbidden month, and for the donations, and for regulation; that is so you may know that Allah knows what is in the heavens and what is in earth, and that Allah is aware of all things}...[5:97]

{Our Rabb, I have resided some from my progeny in a valley with no vegetation, near your Forbidden Sanctuary. My Rabb, so that they may hold the salat. So let the hearts of the people incline towards them and give provisions to them of the fruits that they may give thanks}...[14:37]

Which Sanctuary (Bayt) is mentioned in all of the above?  Is this not the one to whose viccinity Abraham had migrated? 

When the mysterious guests of Abraham greeted him and his wife (the future mother of ISHAQ), what did they say to him? Here's the answer:

{They said: "Do you wonder at the decree of Allah? The mercy of Allah and blessings are upon you, O people of the Sanctuary. He is Praiseworthy, Glorious.}...[11:73]

When the Quran gave Muhammad a series of instructions concerning the behavior of his wives, and told him to relate these instructions to them, what did the Quran call Muhammad and his wives?

Here follows is the answer:

{You shall be content in your homes, and do not show off like in the old days of ignorance. You shall uphold the salat, and contribute towards purification, and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah wishes to remove any affliction from you, O people of the Sanctuary, and to purify you completely}...[33:33]

I am sorry...but I fail to see how the Bayt of Abraham is not the same Bayt  that Muhammad later occupied. I fail to see how the "crowded place" to which Abraham called to all people for the hajj is different than the "crowded place" where Muhammad went to for his hajj. 

The reason is because you insist on the hypothesis that the Quran does not mention proper names of places.  As if mentioning proper names is somehow detrimental to the message?

There could be many such sanctuaries in the world. The CHerookee "Indians" of America might have had one such place somwehere, before white man arrived and colonized their land. The Incas of Peru might have had a Sanctuary somewhere up in the Andes Mountains. The people of Tibet might have observed rituals in a sacred grove or valley in the Himalayas, for all we know.

And then the Quran tells us that the FIRST Sanctuary ever established for mankind is the one in a "crowded place"?  Does this seem to you like it does justice to the place?

Search your soul before you answer,

May Allah guide us all.

P.S: I would like your opinion on the term "ahillah" which appears in [2:189] as timing mechanisms for the hajj, and how it fits with your Autumn Equinox ramadan theory.

Also, I hope brother Ayman can give us his feedback on this issue.

Peace...

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Archeology & History / Re: Is Hijra from Yemen to Arabian side of Persian Gulf?

« on: April 08, 2013, 11:54:42 AM »

Dear noshirk.

While I admire your enthusiasm regarding the subject matter, I do not agree with your rendering of what are clearly proper nouns in the Quran.  It is the characteristic of the Arabic language that ALL words, whether they are common or proper nouns, ultimately have inherent, built-in meanings.
 
Consider this example: The word  al-qahira        القاهرة is derived from the root “q-h-r”,  قهر which means  “to defeat/humiliate/conquer/stand firm in the face of something (as in the context of war or armies)”.

Now, if you come across a passage in an Arabic text stating that: “Zayd is planning a trip to al-Qahira next week-end”, would you interpret it as such, perhaps:  “Zayd is planning a trip to the defeater/conqueror/humiliator city, next week-end”, just because you found the meaning of the word “q-h-r” in a lexicon? 

Claiming that the Quran does not mention any proper nouns whatsoever is taking it a bit too far. The events surrounding Muhammad (P) did not take place in an anonymous vacuum.
 
The Quran does NOT say:  “Allah had granted you victory at the full moon, while you had been the lesser, so revere Allah that you may be thankful”.

It says: {Allah had granted you victory at Badr, while you had been the lesser, so revere Allah that you may be thankful}…[3:123]. The word "Badr" is the proper noun of a place. Allah, who does not shy away from giving the example of a fly, would certainly not shy away from mentioning proper nouns. The events surrounding Muhammad (P) happened in a known geographic domain, in a volcanic, pastoral country that Allah described as being blessed to all people. It is a country of grazing fields, abundant rivers, pomegranate trees, fig trees, olive trees, grape orchards, honey production, and green mountains (al-tur) with a desert of great sand dunes bordering it.
 
I have gathered enough evidence that this is neither Palestine nor the Hijaz.

no idea for median and medina?

The word “al-madina” (with a small “m”)  is NOT a proper noun. It simply means “the urban center”. I think you should have found that one obvious by now. And I don’t care what the Wahhabis or their ancestors, the tribes of Hijaz, the have been propagating for centuries. Yathrib, Badr, Makkah, Hunayn, Midian, and Misr are the proper names of TOWNS. And just because these words happen to have meanings (as all Arabic words inherently do), it does not change the fact that they are names of places.
 
As for Midian (with a capital “M”), according to the Quran, is not far at all from Misr. In the story of Moses (P), the Quran tells us he fled Misr and went towards Midian. However, the Arabic text includes a word that was overlooked in the FM translation. This word is “tilqa’a”     تلقاء   which appears in  [28:22] i, and is used to indicate places that are not very far from each other. Based on the circumstances of time and place, Midyan and Misr could not have been more that 100 KM apart, or the Quran would not have used that word to describe Mose’s trip.

Allah’s messenger, Shu’ayb (P) was sent to Midian. This is the Jethro of the Old Testament? Notice the similarity between "Jethro"and Yathrib? Coincidence?  The OT also tells us that Moses (P) spoke to the Lord on Mount Horeb, which was not far from Uzal, and the Voice of Jehovah echoed all throughout the lands of Teman (Teyman). By coincidence, Jabal al-Nabi Shu’ayb and Jabal Hareeb are both in Yemen, and not far from Sana’a, whose name in the so-called “Jahiliyya” era was Azal.  If you stand on top of Jabal Shu’ayb, which is the tallest peak in all of Arabia, you will see to the east  of you, the sand dunes of the Ahqaf Desert in the southern quadrant of the Rub-al-Khali desert.

Nowhere else on this planet will you find such names.

What is the "land of Teman"?  Look up: "Temanim Jews" and see where that leads you.

Look up:  جبل حريب      and  جبل النبي شعيب  and see where the links lead you.

The Old testament speaks of a land flowing with milk and honey that was promised to Abraham’s progeny. It speaks of saffron, myrrh and frankinsense trees.  Palestine did not produce one drop of honey during the Biblical times, nor does it have saffron, Myrrh, or frankinsense trees.

This insane deception will be exposed very soon. I promise you.

Peace...

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General Issues / Questions / Re: An article on: Intercession and Transfer of deeds

« on: March 26, 2013, 12:47:49 PM »

You raise a good question...However, if we read those signs of Surah 21 carefully, we find that the meaning fits just as well if we understand "the child" mentioned in 21:26 to be the mala'ika. They claimed that Allah has taken a walad   (meaning: child - which could be male or female). The reply was:  No, they are not but honored servants (note here how it switches to plural. This style is very common in the Quran).

Elsewhere , we see that the malaika were thought to be female children of Allah. Pay close attention to 37:149-153
and also 43:15-20 the context is clearly about Malai'ka.

Going back to 2:255, this is actually the famous Ayat al-Kursi. The Muslims are fond of  buying caligraphic printings of this ayah, in fancy frames, and hanging them on their walls, without ever contemplating what the ayah actually means, or who is the speaker

I believe it is a praise to Allah spoken by Jibreel, on behalf of all the malai'ka:

{Allah, there is no god except He, the Living, the Sustainer. No slumber or sleep overtakes Him; to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth. Who will intercede with Him (among the mala'ika) except with His permission? He knows their present and their future (the malai'ka) and they do not have any of His knowledge except for what He wishes. His kursi encompasses all of the heavens and the earth and it is easy for Him to preserve them. He is the Most High, the Great}...[2:255]

Who is the speaker there? If Allah is the speaker, why would He say  "There is no god but HE"?? ...."No slumber overtakes Him"??
These questions have troubled me for ages. The most logical explanation is that Jibreel is the speaker, and again we see the subject of intercession appearing, which is linked to the malai'ka.

Peace...

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General Issues / Questions / Re: An article on: Intercession and Transfer of deeds

« on: March 26, 2013, 09:41:57 AM »

Salam...

I pondered over this subject long ago and, after grouping together all the passages in the Quran that mention intercession (whether directly, or in allusion), I reached the conclusion that only the malai'ka can intercede on our behalf, because they are watching our deeds.

Look at this, for instance:

{The Day when the Spirit and the mala'ika stand in line, none will speak unless the Almighty permits him and he speaks what is true}...[78:38]

Everytime you encounter the expression {none will speak unless the Almighty permits} or {none can intercede except by His leave}, or anything of the sort (conditional intercession), you can bet the context is always about mala'ika (read the passage in question, from beginning to end, and you will confirm this).

Regards.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Proof that Qibla is the Kaabah in Mecca

« on: March 20, 2013, 12:44:01 PM »

They believe in these 12 super imams, one of which is capable of living for hundreds of years. Where in the Quran is there any backing for this outlandish belief?

Also, they await the return of the 12th Imam.

Somewhere in the city of Samerra' (Iraq), there is a mosque with an open courtyard in its center. In the middle of the courtyard there is a barred iron grate which covers an ancient cellar. People croud around the iron gate sometimes, as when the light is right, they can catch a glimpse of a figure wrapped in a black cloack, and sleeping on the ground in a fetus position. It has been down there for 12 centuries, and has tossed and turned in its sleep several times. Strewn on the floor near it is a sword called Zulfiqar, whose blade has a forked tip. Also there is the Staff of Moses, and a copy of the Koran which is much thicker than the one available to all of humanity. (It contains missing chapters which the evil Sunnis burned at the command of Omar. These chapters declare Ali as the Wali and rightful successor to the prophet). Occasionally, the sun would shine on a ring on the figure's hand. This is Solomon's Ring, which gives its wearer supernatural strength. No one is able to lift the iron grate. They even tried machinery, but nothing works.

The gathered cround await the day when the figure will wake up, push the grate cover, and pop its head out through the opening. Hence the Zuhur.  (The Awaited Apppearance). The Americans are also waiting for this day, and they will mobilize their armies in anticipation. The Mahdi will rise from the cellar of Samerra' and head towards the tombs of Aby Bakr and Omar. He will resurect the two Kafirs, behead them and resurrect them again...and behead them again...repeatedly, as punishment for usurping his rightful position.

Then, he will make his way to Makkah where he will usher in a New Age of peace and justice for all mankind (he will defeat USA and NATO's jets and drones with Zulfukar and his 10,313 followers)

It is reported that the Mahdi can, occasionnaly, communicate with some of the Shia Imams (who by coincidence, all have PERSIAN names), through their dreams. In fact , the Imam'ul Zaman - the Living Hujja - has even recorded his voice and broadcasted it during a religious talk show featuring a KAFIR Sunni Cleric from Syria, who had defied his Shia opponent on the show to provide a recording so the viewers could hear it live on the show. Apparently, the Living Hujja has trouble pronouncing and articulating the Arabic Quran, and makes several errors during the recording.

Here is a link to the YouTube video showing the incident:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVWc6zzITpY


This is the state that the so-called "Umma" have been in for the past 14 centuries.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Proof that Qibla is the Kaabah in Mecca

« on: March 16, 2013, 06:39:36 AM »

Like some people claims that Allah does not mean God and so on,

And they’re right. It doesn’t.

GOD is simply DOG spelled backwards. Whereas LAH, in Arabic, means: that which cannot be understood or grasped directly, (and must therefore be understood indirectly, through its creation or manifestation).

Consider the following linguistic structure:

Tagha – Taghut  (verb “tagha” = to transgress limits / noun “taghut” = the institution of transgressing limits). This is why a tyrant in Arabic, is described as “taghia”.     طغى - طاغوت  
   
Now, try to apply the same logic to:

Jabar – jabarut     (repairing / reform)    جبر - جبروت

kahan – kahanut   (occult astrological / priesthood)      كهن - كهنوت

LAH-LAHUT        لاه-لاهوت 

In our day and age, when someone goes to a religious institution to study the LAHUT, it means he is going to study “that which is mysterious and beyond the direct understanding of the human mind”.

Now you see what al-LAH (Allah) means?

Does the word GOD provide that meaning? Can you find me, in any living language today, a three-letter word that gives the same intrinsic depth as LAH?

The fact is, when you "translate" the Quran to English, and render Al-LAH as GOD, you are making a complete mockery of the text. This is why, after 9 years if research, I have reached the conclusion that the Quran is UNTRANSLATABLE. The best we can hope to do is paraphrase it.

Makkah, Bakkah, Yathrib, Hunayn, Sina’a, Badr, Misr, are all real places. No one is denying this. No one is denying that the KAABAH is the Bayt. No one is denying the relation between Makkah nad the Masjid. The problem is this: The geography of these places, as described in the Quran, does NOT MATCH the actual terrain where we think these places are, by any stretch of the imagination.

To rephrase that: the names of places mentioned in the Quran, have all been projected onto a FALSE physical territory.

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: Isa is not Jesus, and Isa and Jesus are both a mystery !

« on: March 14, 2013, 03:37:16 AM »

{Cursed are those who have rejected from among the Children of Israel by the tongue of David and Esau, son of Mary. That is for what they have disobeyed, and for what they transgressed}...[5:78]

Why is David mentioned before Jesus?

That doesn't prove anything.

Look at the following, for instance:

{We have inspired you as We had inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And We had inspired Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and Esau, and Job, and Jonah, and Aaron, and Solomon; and We gave David the Psalms}...[4:163]

Why is Esa (which you falsely translate as "Jesus", when it should be "Esau") mentioned before Solomon in the above passage?

{And We granted him Isaac and Jacob, both of whom We guided; and Noah We guided from before; and from his progeny is David, and Solomon, and Job, and Joseph, and Moses, and Aaron. It is such that We recompense the good doers.}...[6:84]

Why are David and Solomon mentioned before Moses and Aaron in the above?

Furthermore, regarding the so-called "enclosures" that Solomon built, the word that appears in the Arabic text is "mahareeb", which is the plural form of "mihrab". This is derived from "harb", which means WAR. Hence "mihrab" means a military fort of some sort, or a barricaded place. There could be hundreds of such places, and belonging to different eras. How can you be so certain that the "mihrab" that Zakariah was praying in is the same one that was constructed by Solomon?

I'm sorry to say it, but your argument is weak and very unconvincing.

As for the word "INJEEL", as huruf has pointed out, it is in fact derived from the root n-j-l, which means: good tidings, or news of good things to come. Hence we see that same linguistic  structure as with  balasa-iblees ,  baraqa-ibreeq,  and kalala-ikleel. 
The female proper noun "Najla'" is very common in Arabic, and is also derived from n-j-l.

@tauhid101

You said:

From my observation all these years, the influence of man-made doctrines is still visible among quranist/ God aloners. It is important that the mind is purified from the man-made doctrines while searching for the Truth, no matter from which religion one is born into.

You speak of purifying the mind from manmade doctrines, while you proceed to provide links to a website that speaks of the "discovery"
of the Ark of teh Covenant by Ron Wyatt, who was proven to be a master of fraud.

Allow me to direct you to the following links:

http://tentmaker.org/WAR/

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/seventh-day-adventist/TIVVCTD0F2E9E6SQA

http://bibleandscience.com/otherviews/wyatt.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ron_Wyatt

His scam has already been exposed, and he even admitted it himself.

No matter how much you try to twist the clear meanings of the Quranic signs to make them conform, by force, to the previous scriptures, you will not be successful.

Peace..

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General Issues / Questions / Re: Proof that Qibla is the Kaabah in Mecca

« on: March 13, 2013, 02:39:14 PM »

The word KAABAH which appears in the Quran, does NOT mean “Cube” or “Cubic Structure”. It is the feminine derived from KAAB, means precisely: something that is prominent, sticks out, or stands out among its peers.

This meaning is found in the oldest Lexicons.

The Arabs of old used to call any person that was of prominent rank or standing among his peers as their “KAAB”.  A place or building that was important or prominent was described as “KAABAH”. Arabian folklore and poetry mentions no less than nine other KAABAHS, notably: The KAABAH of Najran, the KAABAH of Ghatfan, and the KAABAH of Shaddad. There is a wealth of information about these KAABAHS; you just have to know where to look.

The KAABAH of Najran, for example, was a huge cathedral that stood on a hilltop overlooking the city of Najran. The Saudis demolished it when they occupied the city in the 1930’s.  It most certainly was not a cubic structure.

The Quran does NOT say:  Allah has made the CUBE to be the Restricted Sanctuary
It says:  {Allah has made the place of prominence to be the Restricted Sanctuary}.

You see the difference?

The KAABAH is not a physical structure of any shape or form. It is a natural place, a high altitude vale in a mountainous region, to which the Arabs, from the most ancient times (even before Abraham) went to slaughter livestock during the four restricted months when hunting was forbidden. Abraham did not build anything.
 
The current structure you see in Makkah today is the BLACK CUBE OF SATURN.

This is because 99% of humankind have deserted the Creator, and have instead stagnated in pagan worship and Astrotheology (worship of heavenly bodies).

Ever considered the days of the week? Ever asked yourself why the Muslims consider FRIDAY to be holy?
Let me explain:

Friday = Freitagg, which is the day associated with the goddess Frigga, the Norse goddess of FERTILITY. Her equivalent, in Roman Paganism, is Venus, whose day is Veneris = Vendredi, and to whom a planet has been dedicated.

Monday = Moonday = Lunedi (from Luna). This is the day of moon worship.

Mardis = Mars Day = Day of the Roman God Mars, to whom a planet has been dedicated.

Mercoli = Mercredi = Day of Mercury, the Roman god whose equivalent in Norse Mythology is Woden. (Hence Wodensdaeg = Wednesday = Day of Woden).

Jeudis = Jovis = Day of Jupiter (Jovian Planet). The equivalent of Jupiter in Norse mythology is Thor (God of Thunder). Hence the name THORSDAY = Thursday = Day of Thor (Jupiter). The Greeks have Zeus, so Zeusday = Jeudi.

Sunday = Day of worshipping the SUN.

SATURDAY = SATURN day, the day of worshipping the god Saturn, the Lord of the Rings planet, whose symbol is a black cube.

Recognize this?

It is a monument dedicated to SATURN, which stands outside the Sony Headquarters in New York City.

How about this one:

It is the same black cube in Santa Anna.


This next one is in Denmark:

And this one in Australia:

The religious Jews venerate Saturday because it is the Day of Saturn.

Look at his next photo:

As you can see, on Saturdays, they wear the black cube on their foreheads and their upper arm.

They also have strict instructions on where exactlly the CUBE is to be fitted:

Take a closer look:

You can see the Menora emblem (Jewish religious symbol) on the black cube.

Now look at the next photo:

That is not the House of Allah. It is the BLACK CUBE of Saturn, which the Muslims unknowingly flock to, thinking it to be the Restricted Sanctuary.

What we can go with now is that Kabaah is our Qibla until it is proven not to be.

If you want to make the black cube of Saturn your Qibla, then go right ahead. I respect your belief and hold nothing against you. But don't say the Quran ordained it.

The Muslims venerate the black cube of Saturn, as well as the black volcanic rock representing Al-Lat, the Arabian goddess of FERTILITY, whose day of worship is Friday.

If you want to venerate FRIDAY, then go right ahead. I have nothing against it. But don't say the Quran ordained it. The Quran mentions the Day of Congregation, NOT Friday.

Also God when he talks about the Dome of Rock which Abraham build he mentions it in the VALLEY OF BAKKAH

The Dome of the Rock?

You mean this one?

That was NOT built by Abraham. It was built by the Umayyad Caliph  Abdul Malik Bin Marwan, who was a 33rd Degree Mason, in the year 692 AD.

Furthermore, Abraham never set foot in Palestine.

Salam and best regards.

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer

« on: March 04, 2013, 12:26:23 PM »

Peace, Ayman..

I agree with everything you said concerning the issue of "ramadan". 

Ramadan = heat (the summer).... agree
Shahr = full moon (plain and clear for all to see)... agree
Shahr Ramadan = the full moon announcing the beginning of summer ...agree
Laylat al-Qadr = night of the summer solstice (longest night of the year)...agree
Laylat al-Qadr marks the beginning of the fastig period, not the last ten days thereof ...agree
The fasting period is not 30 days, but 10 days, beginning from the night of the summer solstice ... agree

There remains the issue of how to fix the lunar cycles to the seasons. Have you come to a solution concerning this issue? 

The Jews have their own solution: Although they follow a lunar calendar, they add an intercalary month periodically to make their lunar year conform with the seasons.  Even those who follow a solar calendar (2/3 of humanity) add a day to February every 4 years to fix the discrepency.

But I keep asking myself: Would Allah assign an imperfect system that needs intervention on our part to fix it?  Maybe there is something about the 10 New Moon days that we failed to grasp?

Looking forward to you imput on this issue.

@jtc

Concerning Hajj, I believe the most logical explanation is that the 4 Restircted Months are the Hajj months. It cannot be any other way. Allah ordained a period of 4 months wherein we have to abstain from hunting game (wild animals). To make up for this restriction, Allah gave us the livestock (namely: cows, camels, sheep and goats) as special creatures totally subserviant to us, and we can slaughter them during those 4 months (instead of hunting). The ancient Arabs knew this, and they observed the restirction. The Hajj serves the following functions:

1- Eat the meat of  the livestock that is offered, and feed the poor.
2- Discuss the problems that affect society in the presence of the elected leaders of the state.
3- Trade.
4- Remember the place of the first ever Bayt, which I am 100% confident is in the area where human civilization began, and where the First or Orginial Urban Settlement was established.
5- Give charity to the needy

What is going on in the so-called city of Makkah today is a farce, and a mockery of the real Hajj, and has nothing to do with the Deen whatsoever. It's all a bunch of pagan rituals.

Regards.