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Science / Creation Story: The Entire History In 2 Hours
« on: March 22, 2013, 12:25:54 PM »
Much better and more realistic 'creation story' than Genesis.
http://youtu.be/y-5csnjg3mM

Is God actually an Energy?

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I'm surprised to find this passage in AskMoses.org website:

"There is a distinction between the Qur'anic use of the term muslim as a generic term, which refers to someone who submits to God, and the proper noun Muslim, which refers to a follower of the religion founded by Muhammad in the seventh century. Does one need to be a Muslim to be a muslim? Must a Jew who recognizes Muhammad as a messenger and the Qur'an as scripture convert to Islam? The perhaps surprising answer, from a Qur'anic perspective, the answer is, no."

Although it's not 100% entirely correct, especially on the "refers to a follower of the religion founded by Muhammad in the seventh century", as Muhammad actually never founded any religion, it's a group of people who actually did it after Muhammad's death.
But I'm surprised to see how a (presumably Jewish) person who (presumably) is not 'contaminated' with hadiths/tradition/political bigotry could come into the same conclusion.

http://www.askmusa.org/site/c.ehLKKZPJLuF/b.3125653/k.7027/The_Jews_and_the_Quran.htm

Salam / Peace

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Although this is 'nothing new'.. it's a principle which has been practiced for many centuries...
From:
USA-USSR alliance vs Germany
USA-Saudi-Bin Laden/Taliban alliance vs USSR in Afghanistan
USSR-Vietnam alliance vs USA
Saudi-Israel alliance vs Iran
and now USA-Saudi-Yemen-Al Qaeda alliance vs Syria-Iran-Russia-China

My condolences to the 'dumb sheep' who are willing to 'sacrifice their life' for the sake of the warmonger and politician Allah's sharia... This is also a recurring pattern which has been practiced for many centuries..

http://www.infowars.com/al-qaeda-leader-strikes-deal-with-u-s-saudis-to-send-5000-fighters-to-syria/

Al-Qaeda Leader Strikes Deal With U.S., Saudis To Send 5,000 Fighters to Syria

A militant who fought alongside Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan and is now the leader of a group affiliated with Al-Qaeda in South Yemen has struck a deal with the United States and Saudi Arabia to send 5,000 Al-Qaeda fighters into Syria according to reports out of the Middle East.

Tariq al-Fadhli, jihadist leader of the Southern Yemen insurgency and a man personally trained by Bin Laden, has successfully negotiated with U.S. and Saudi officials to send 5,000 jihadist fighters via Turkey to aid Syrian rebels in the attempted overthrow of President Bashar Al-Assad, reports AlAlam. The report was also picked up by AdenAlghad.net.

In a newspaper interview, al-Fadhli revealed that he had agreed to transfer 5,000 militants from the southern Yemen cities of Zanzibar and Jaar “to Syria in order to fight in war being waged by armed groups, including the Al Qaeda-linked groups against the Syrian regime.”

The militants, who refer to themselves as “supporters of Shariah,” will join other bands of Al-Qaeda fighters who have swarmed into Syria from Libya, Iraq and Turkey with the aid of NATO powers and Gulf states. In a July 30 report, the London Guardian admitted that Al-Qaeda fighters were commanding Syrian rebels and teaching them how to build bombs.

The Council on Foreign Relations, America’s most influential foreign policy think tank and a close ally of the U.S. State Department, recently praised the presence of Al-Qaeda fighters in Syria, while the RAND Corporation reportedthat the terrorist group had been responsible for suicide attacks and car bombings that have caused more than 200 deaths and 1,000 injuries.

President Barack Obama recently signed a secret order confirming that he would use taxpayer money to support Syrian rebels with “non-lethal aid”. However, the New York Times admits that the CIA is helping steer heavy weaponry to the rebels on the Turkish border paid for by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Indicating his willingness to begin a new alliance with Saudi Arabia, which helped train him during his mujahideen years, Sheikh Fadhli announced “a regional deal for the transfer of al-Qaeda fighters from Yemeni territory to Turkey to the Syrian front, which explains the sudden withdrawal of gunmen from Abyan.”

Yemeni authorities were only able to restore order in Zanzibar and Jaar this past June after battles that killed a number of Al-Qaeda fighters.

AlAlam describes al-Fadhli as “one of the elders of the tribe of Abyan and former leader of al-Qaeda.” According to the New York Times, Yemen has denounced al-Fadhli as “one the country’s most dangerous terrorists.”

However, as observers have highlighted, the Yemeni government is suspected by many to be cultivating jihadi activity by tolerating the presence of Al-Qaeda within its borders.

The Nation’s Jeremy Scahil noted earlier this year that “Since the mujahideen war against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s and continuing after 9/11, Saleh has famously milked the threat of Al Qaeda and other militants to leverage counterterrorism funding and weapons from the United States and Saudi Arabia, to bolster his power within the country and to neutralize opponents.”

Al-Fadhli has attempted to distance himself from claims that the group he spearheads is affiliated with Al-Qaeda, in one You Tube video flying a U.S. flag over his compound while playing the national anthem. However, al-Fadhli fought with the Mujahideen alongside Osama Bin Laden against the Soviets in Afghanistan. At the very least, he has been a useful servant of U.S. geopolitical objectives for decades.

In 2009, leader of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula Nasir Abdul Kareem al-Wahayshi (a.k.a. Abu Basir) released an audiotape expressing vehement support for the South Yemen insurgency led by al-Fadhli. Syrian jihad strategist Abu Musa’ab al-Suri also revealed in his book that al-Fadhli was “chosen and trained by Bin Laden to practice jihad in Yemen.”

The agreement to send militants from Yemen into Syria to aid the west’s hegemonic agenda to topple President Bashar Al-Assad again illustrates how Al-Qaeda is a geopolitical pawn habitually called upon by the military-industrial complex to achieve regime change in the Middle East and North Africa.

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The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of notable social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience.

The experiments began in July 1961, a few years after the horrendous Nazi war crimes an effort was been made to understand the nature of the behavior of the soldiers and the SS officers, as to why they had killed millions of civilians. The most common explanation -before Milgram's experiment - was due to the fact that Germans were raised in a teutonic manner and had a suppressed childhood (sexually). But Milgram was a social psychologist and believed that this kind of obedience -which leads to crime- cannot be blamed just by personality issues, but the stressing conditions they were in were to blame. And he justified it by performing his <<prank>>.


The experimenter (E) orders the teacher (T), the subject of the experiment, to give what the latter believes are painful electric shocks to a learner (L).

The subjects of the experiment were volunteers, mostly university level students, which were offered a sum of money to participate in a mind relevant psychological experiment.

He would split the volunteers in pairs and -through a fake lottery- one was given the role of teacher and one of the confederate (i.e. the learner)

The surprised confederate was tied foot and hand to an electric chair and cables were attached to him to all his body. Afterwards he was given 10 pair of words to learn.

The teacher, on the other hand, was siiting in front of an electric console generator. The console was compromised of 10 buttons with these indications: 15 volt, 30 volt, 50 volt etc. Last button had 450 volt. Attention! Danger!

Behind the teacher was Milgram standing, who was the conductor of the experiment. (Fisrt person dialog will start now for better approach)

<< You will start with the first word of thw word pairs to the learner. If he is wrong you will hit the first button and undergo the 15 volt electosok. Each mistake he makes you will proceed to the next button, at this moment the < teacher > feels lucky as he was not chosen to be the confederate.

The experiment begins. The teacher begins asking for the right words from the learner. At start the learner, already scared shit, answers correct, but not for long. When he makes the first mistake the teacher glances the conductor (Milgram). And he in return tells him to proceed to the first electroshock. The learner who doesn't like the situation he is in has changed his mind of participating in the experiment. In the next question he answers correct again, despite his frustration. Next question incorrect and is hitten with 30 volt. After the shock he becomes desperate to leave. The teacher looks back at the conductoe but is ordered to carry on.

The volts raise with each wrong question and the pain grows for the learner, which now begs for his life. At 200 volts he is shaken by the shock. The teacher before hitting the button looks at the conductor so he is granted approval. The conductor with steady voice orders that the experiment must carry on no matter what. The teacher is constantly torturing a total stranger, a simple student who is in tears, calling for God's mercy and begging the teacher to spare his life. He doesn't have anymore power to speak up. So the conductor returns to the teacher and tells him

Silence is considered as a wrong answer so we continue with his punishment.

At 345 volts the learner is shaking, screams and falls unconcious.

The teacher begins to sweat, his hands are shaking looks back at the conductor.

The conductor tells him "Do not worry, everything is under control, proceed with the last button"

"But he is unconcious" replies the teacher.

"It does not matter. The experiment must be carried through as scheduled. Proceed with the last button."

How many of the volunteers reached to the final and deadly button of 450 volts?

Before Milgram began his experiment he had performed a survey amongst the psychologists, asking them how many of the volunteers would reach the final button.

Almost all of the psychologists answered that none of the volunteers would reach that button, unless there would be some volunteers who had cryptosadistic obsessions, clearly pathological.

Unfortunately they were wrong.

THE RESULT

Just 5% of the "teacher's" refused to be part of the experiment and left -most of them would insult him for that kind of experiment.
The rest 95% proceeded with the conductor, over 150 volts.
The 65% reached until the deadly 450 volt the last button.

Where is the <<prank>>?

The so called confederate (or learner) was no student, but an actor, who was hired by Milgram for the exact role. There was no electric generator nor any electroshocks. The actor was acting! The only experiment conducted was on the "teacher". But the results of the experiment are for real: A large percent of people will obey and torture -may even kill- a total stranger, as long as he is ordered to do so by someone with authoritative argument but also to feel that he is not to blame - because he is just <<following orders>> - . Anybody reading what the experiment is about, the first thing that would cross his mind is that for sure he wouldn't make it till the final button.

WHO SHALL FALL INTO THE 65%??

Let's take a close look in the everyday life of our society this time.

The technician who works for the electricity company and cuts off the electricity of an unemployed or from a poor man, knows that by doing that he is humiliating them, and placing them in constant torture and probably putting their lives in risk, that person belongs to the 65% of the last button, he is no cryptosadist but just following orders,

The seller from the supermarket who is selling you an out of date fish reassurring you that the fish is fresh (true story) doesn't hate you, although he knows that you might get food poisoned. Is just following orders

The police man who sprays chemicals to protestors and demonstrators is also following orders. (Some might disagree on this delicate matter)

The tax officer or somebody who works for the bank who signs for a home to be confiscated for a dept of 1000 euros would make it till the last button because they obey.

The politician who signs memorandums which leads a whole nation into despair would reach the final button. He also obeys to orders but in contrast to the conductors orders in the white robe, the politicians orders are much more vigorous.

The sectarian who follow the order and authority of their imam and killed/tortured/oppressed those who deemed as 'kuffars'/'apostate'/'enemy of religion' would reach the final button. The authority of the Imam (or holy books) shall be perceived higher from 'experimenter' as it came from Deity/God which own the 'absolute truth'... they MUST follow "God's order" although it might not rings well with their own 'conscience'.

EVERYBODY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS

On the other hand if we see Milgram's experiment on the humanitarian - ethical side ( the 5% people who didn't obey) we can understand that everybody is responsible for their actions.If you are ordered to harm people, to a citizen, an immigrant, a human being, ( even an animal although as many are meat eaters would make things a bit complicated) you have to stand down and to not execute the order. Even if that means that you will lose the productivity bonus, the promotion, to be relected, your job, hated by your communities, labeled as insane, mis-guided, apostate, infidel/kuffars.

Only when we are ready to deny the small and the everyday violent orders - where most of us consciously comply- only then when we are ready to perform a general political, social and consumption disobedience, only when we treat ourselves as people with power instead of irresponsible employees, only then will we be able to destroy the new liberal status quo that is being brought upon us, which wants us to be obedient and enslaved.

To conclude, Milgram's subjects of the experiment, the volunteer students, they were informed by Milgram himself what was the true nature of the experiment. They were told that the << the learner>> was an actor and was not hit by electric shocks. Milgram did it to relieve them, but managed to do the opposite. Those people, especially the 65% who reached the final button, past the rest of their lives pursued by the 'guilt' of their actions. As they realised that they were not so innocent and good as they liked to believe for themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

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In an area where everyone is free to believe whatever they wanted, where the conception of "La Ikraha Fiddien" is being applied (albeit with it's own small frictions, biases and problems). The religion of "No Religion" is on the rise growing nearly 1600% within 50 years.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/128276/increasing-number-no-religious-identity.aspx

Another group propose hypothesis that religion is due for extinction in not so distant future..
Religion may become extinct in nine nations
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12811197

Lies religion was spread through 'enforcement' whether it's direct (e.g. Convert or Die!!) or indirect (e.g. lower taxes / higher social class for people who are willing to join certain government endorsed party religion).


Salam / Peace

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Israel Says Iran Behind Deadly Blast in Europe
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444464304577534922286189802.html

Israel accused Iran of orchestrating the bombing of a bus packed with Israeli tourists in a Bulgarian resort town Wednesday that killed at least six people and injured 30 others, adding to tensions across the Middle East.

Fire engulfed the bus and nearby vehicles in an airport parking lot in Burgas, on Bulgaria's Black Sea coast, sending up plumes of dark smoke. Israel's foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, said his Bulgarian counterpart told him a bomb was planted on the bus.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu promised retaliation.

"This is an Iranian terror attack that is spreading throughout the entire world," he said. "Israel will respond with force."
-- End of snippets --

If Iran really wanted to kill Jews for 'retaliation', they don't need to do that as far as Bulgaria!!
They can easily do that at home!!
Jews In Teheran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm_kIPGV7b4

Salam / Peace

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General Issues / Questions / God Hates Religion
« on: July 16, 2012, 03:40:39 PM »
Interesting thought from a christian... What do you guys think?

http://www.christinyou.net/pages/godhatesrel.html

God Hates Religion

    A survey of the Scriptures reveals that there is one category that God hates above all others. God hates religion! Many will be confused, if not offended by such a statement, for they have identified God with religion. Religion, therefore, needs to be defined and differentiated from the Christian gospel.

    The English word "religion" is etymologically derived from the Latin word religo, meaning to "bind up." Religion binds people up in rules and regulations or in ritualistic patterns of devotion.

    Christianity, on the other hand, was never meant to be a religion. Christianity is the dynamic spiritual life of the risen Lord Jesus indwelling the spirit of man so as to create functional behavior to the glory of God. Granted, men have attempted to force Christianity into the molds and forms of religion. That is evident by all the steeples and sanctuaries and ecclesiastical programs that dot the landscape of our society.

    It is the propensity of man to formulate religion ­ to take that which is of the invisible God and attempt to make it visible, tangible and controllable. Man-made religion! The apostle Paul refers to it as "self-made religion" (Colossians 2:23), and goes on to indicate that it is of no value against fleshly indulgence. In essence, Paul is saying that "religion is of no value against man's sinfulness." In fact, religion is a co-dependent enabler of the sins of mankind. It is itself an addiction.

    Religion is essentially idolatry. Men worship their man-made formations and structures ­ their ideological idols formed in the concrete of inflexible minds. When the apostle Paul came to Athens (Acts 17:22), he observed their idols and exclaimed, "Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects." The Greek word that Paul used for "religious" literally means "to have great respect for demons."

   To document that God hates religion, note the following passages of Scripture:

    "...every abominable act which the Lord hates they have done for their gods, for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods." (Deuteronomy 12:31)

    "I have had enough of burnt offerings...Bring your worthless offerings no longer...I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts; they have become a burden to Me... So when you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you... I will not listen..." (Isaiah 1:10-15)

        "I hate, I reject your festivals; nor do I delight in your solemn assemblies...take away from Me the noise of your songs; I will not even listen to the sound of your harps." (Amos 5:21-24)

    These passages bear out the fact that God hates religion, and all of its procedures and programs; rituals and regulations.

    Religion is inevitably the result of man taking that which is of God and forming it, formulating it, in such a way that men end up "playing God." Men can form idols out of wood or stone in an attempt to represent God, or they can formulate ideological idols (belief-systems, doctrinal definitions, theological theses). The men who thus form and formulate become the "chief priests" of the new religion because they are regarded as knowing the most about what God is like, and well they should for they formed "it."

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Discuss Latest News/Events / Quran Graft Case
« on: July 03, 2012, 05:37:43 AM »
A friend forwarded this to me...
Initially I was surprised due to to the title, how could the Quran gives a bribe to somebody?

As it turns out this is the 'classic-has-happened-since-ancient-times' case.. the common behavior commonly found among any religious everywhere..

The state was procuring a whole bunch of (printed) quran, funded by the people's money worth $5 Mill, with justification (which was written by the religious elites) to 'improve the morality of the people'... as it turns out the religious / political elites received a handsome kickback (10%) from the total worth of the project...

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/koran-procurement-suspects-received-rp-4b-in-bribes-kpk/528305

Food for thought:
Does #people reading the Quran has a positive correlation to the degree of morality?

Salam / Peace

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Salam All...

One might wonders how all of this religion mess get started?
Apparently the pattern is pretty much the same..

When you want to start a religion business, you need to :

1. Create a deity...
2. Make the deity in charge of something.. (if making Him/Her in charge of everything is impossible)
3. A good deity should be something / someone which easily recognized by the customers believers..
4. A dead famous person makes a very good candidate for the religion's deity.. given:
- They're famous and usually loved by the people..
- They're dead.. thus there's no need to pay him/her some share of the business and we can create stories,legends and myths about him/her and nobody can confirm whether it's true or not.. given to the fact that they're already dead and cannot properly communicate with the living.
- We can create some stories that such and such deity appears in our dream and he/she said X. Where X can be anything that you want... This in turn creates an 'association' a.k.a brand awareness in the mindset of the prospective customers that YOU are the deity's main agent on this earth...
5. After the deity is well known to the people, Correlate any big events to Him/Her.. Earthquake! the deity is angry because you didn't show much respect to Him/Her... Tsunami! you violated my.. erggh.. i mean the deity's commandment of not going to the temple regularly.. Economic crisis ! That's because you're stingy and not giving enough donation to me.. erghh i mean as an offering to the deity..

You all know the stories of Jesus, Muhammad, Krishn etc.. right? Thus I will not discussed about them here.
Let's focus on something 'fresh'... an Egyptian deity named OSIRIS...

A brief overview of OSIRIS..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris

Osiris was at times considered the oldest son of the Earth god Geb, and the sky goddess Nut, as well as being brother and husband of Isis, with Horus being considered his posthumously begotten son. He was also associated with the epithet Khenti-Amentiu, which means "Foremost of the Westerners" — a reference to his kingship in the land of the dead. As ruler of the dead, Osiris was also sometimes called "king of the living", since the Ancient Egyptians considered the blessed dead "the living ones". Osiris is first attested in the middle of the Fifth dynasty of Egypt (2500 BC), although it is likely that he was worshipped much earlier.

The legacy of Osiris cult/religion can be felt up until today, some of them are:
- The belief of "Grave Punishment", originally it was Osiris who came into the tomb and ask questions to the dead souls..
- The depiction of "Angel of Death" who came to take the soul by carrying his sickle..
What does a sickle got to do with death??  Well.... actually nothing!!
It was due to the fact that before Osiris got promoted to become "God Of The Dead" he was "God of the living", specifically he was the "God of Harvest".. and that's why he always carry his sickle all the time...

Apparently.... according to the book which didn't make it to the 'official bible'.. named "Book Of Jasher"..
Osiris was once a living person.. as matter of fact he was a king of Egypt.. greatly loved by the people..
And perhaps.. as usual, after his death.. some smart priests create a religion out of him...

Without further ado.. here's the entire story:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/14.htm

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose..
The more it changes, the more it stays the same..

Salam / Peace

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He's good... thinking straight and outspoken.. all of what he said is true..

Although most of the time.. what is Correct is Not Politically Correct..
And that's why he's out of the race now..

And that commonly happened anywhere in the world...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecP9xzRWywA

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