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Introduce Yourself / Re: Quick Introduction
« on: Yesterday at 10:54:52 PM »
Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

@VicKus:  :welcome:

Remember that AQ (Al Qur'an) contains hadith. It is only extra-Qur'anic hadith to be guarded against, for purposes of the deen.

39:23 GOD has sent down the best narrative [l-ḥadīthi], a Book that is similar, dual. The skins of those who are concerned towards their Lord shiver from it, then their skins and their hearts soften up to the remembrance of GOD. Such is the guidance of GOD; He guides with it whoever He wills. And for whoever GOD misguides, then none can guide him.

Examples of Qur'anic hadith include 20:9, 51:24, and 79:15 among other ayat.

May ALLAH see fit to Guide all seekers.



Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

Ah, the Old Testament! Al Qur'an states that it (AQ) is enough for a believer...

Here are some scientific falsehoods in Leviticus:

11:5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud , but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

Coneys and hares don't chew cud.

11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls ; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
11:15 Every raven after his kind;
11:16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,   
11:17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
11:18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.      

Bats aren't birds.

Know what else is an "abomination" according to Leviticus?

Shellfish, such as shrimp or oysters. I'd have to say that shellfish are exactly as much as abomination as homosexual acts!

I'd have to type all day to point out the problems just in the Book of Leviticus. Feel free to read up on it.

The Qur'anic ayat have already been addressed in other threads, I'll provide links if need be.

Have a blessed day, all.



General Issues / Questions / Re: Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen
« on: Yesterday at 10:00:13 PM »
Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

My comments in red.

if you want to learn about the current azab of homsexuality then you will amazed to find out the curse of AIDS first  generated in gays...

I would indeed be amazed...if it were true! AIDS isn't a curse, but a disease caused by HIV. It didn't generate in homosexuals, the source has been found to be chimpanzees; harvesting bush meat likely caused the initial infection. Promiscuity, contaminated blood transfusions, and shared hypodermic needles among IV drug users tend to be primary causes of spreading HIV. One of the reasons why homosexuals are sometimes promiscuous is that society tends to reject them and makes it harder for them to have a monogamous relationship.

It is true that gay men are more likely to be HIV positive than straight men, in fact this is true of several diseases. It is also true that vast numbers of  HIV positive people are heterosexual. While we're on the subject of truth, let me share another truth: a scientific study found that homosexual men had FEWER INFECTIONS of nongonococcal urethritis (NGU) (14.63% vs. 36.40%, p < 0.001), herpes genitalis (0.93% vs. 3.65%, p < 0.001), pediculosis pubis (4.30% vs. 5.35%, p < 0.005), scabies (0.42% vs. 0.76%, p < 0.02), and genital warts (1.68% vs. 6.69%, p < 0.001) than heterosexual men.

and interestingly the cure is not discovered yet due to the fact that scientist are unable to find the antivirus that kill the virus of aids... is it not a clear hint from God...

Modern medicine has found ways to fight the virus to a standstill, and may in time ISA cure the disease. Unless the creation of a cure, ISA, is likewise a "hint" from the Almighty, this argument doesn't seem to have much merit.

but make sure dnt try justify wishful thinking under the cover of religion you cannot prove it for sure..

Wishful thinking would be proclaiming something prohibited that is not. If it isn't prohibited, it is allowed.

may God guide you to the right path..

although its not my concern to ask a personal question but i feel you are enggage in this curse if i am not wrong..

A curse? Where did this "curse" come from?  :)

The veracity of my statements, most of which are direct quotes from the Qur'an or facts derived from observing creation, are unchanged by my real or perceived sexuality.

ALLAH knows best.



General Issues / Questions / Re: Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen
« on: Yesterday at 07:05:32 PM »
Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

Look up the definition of homosexual. Homosexuality has to do with inclination. Anyone who grasps this indisputable fact will understand that nobody can be condemned for an unacted upon inclination, even if homosexual acts can be proven to be against the deen. Nobody has been able to satisfactorily prove that homosexual acts ~are~ against the deen, and cling to bias and tradition--what they found their ancestors doing. There are so many ayahs downcrying following ancestors that I won't bother to post them.

It is indeed true that just because mosquitoes engage in homosexual acts that mosquitoes are not a reason to justify homosexual acts among humans. However, we are commanded to observe and consider creation, and homosexuality is part of creation--and very very widespread (not just mosquitoes, but ALL known sexually reproducing species).

2:26 GOD does not shy away from putting forth the example of a mosquito, or anything above it. As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord. As for the rejecters, they say: "What does GOD intend with this example?" He strays many by it, and He guides many by it; but He only strays by it the wicked.

3:190 In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference between the night and the day, are signs for those who possess intelligence.
3:191 Those who remember GOD while standing, and sitting, and on their sides, and they ponder over the creation of the heavens and the earth: "Our Lord you have not created this without purpose, glory to You, spare us the retribution of the Fire!"

I wonder at the people who attack creation because it is not in their personal likes. Homosexual acts are prevalent throughout creation--do you second guess the Almighty? Think before you call an aspect of creation perverse or disgusting.

If this thread is too frank for a person's taste, nobody is forced to read it and it is not needlessly explicit. The topic is clear. The discussion is sometimes less so, with name calling and facile posts in the lines of "its icky so it isn't allowed" or "its this way because I say so." Bring your evidences. This is supposed to be free-minds, not small-minds. For those that honestly engage in discussion, this was not intended towards ya'll; otherwise, if the shoe fits, wear it!

49:11 O you who believe, let not any people ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names; miserable indeed is the name of wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does not repent, then these are the transgressors.

7:80-81 describes an ACTION and not just an inclination. Does anyone deny that it describes a LUSTFUL action?

For those who engage in personal attacks and bad manners with deliberation, know that it is totally against the deen, regardless of your motives.

If you had been created homosexual, how would you contend with the bias, hatred, and persecution? How would you wish to be treated? ALLAH has created homosexual humans, and they are largely being treated unjustly, even among those who should know better.

For those who persist in being bad to other humans, enjoy this life. ISA, you will come to know--in one world or the next.

ALLAH knows best.



Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Sin of Nooh's a.s. wife
« on: Yesterday at 12:26:55 PM »
Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

2:134 That is a nation that has passed away; to them is what they have earned, and to you is what you have earned; and you will not be asked regarding what they did.

I think we're done here!  :)

ALLAH knows best.



General Issues / Questions / Re: Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen
« on: Yesterday at 09:14:14 AM »
Greetings and Peace, all  :group:


I have skimmed through these posts and find it ridiculous that people would think to promote "fahsha" while serving God alone!

You cannot have sex outside wedlock (consentiual or not) and wedlock can only be between a man a woman.

Pleas people: stop spreading Satanic behavior falsely under the guise of Islam...

7:28 And if they commit immorality, they say: "We found our fathers doing such, and God ordered us to it." Say: "God does not order immorality! Do you say about God what you do not know?"

How, exactly, does quoting the Qur'an in context promote immorality? :hmm Please be specific about "spreading Satanic behavior." PM if you like.

2:141   That is a nation that has passed away; to them is what they have earned, and to you is what you have earned; and you will not be asked regarding what they did.

3:7 He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are legislative verses-they are the Mother of the Book-and others which are comparable. As for those who have a disease in their hearts, they follow that of it which is comparable, seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except GOD, and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say: "We believe in it, all is from our Lord." And none will remember except those who possess intelligence.

39:18 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom GOD has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.

It isn't possible to "catch homosexuality" and it isn't something that spreads. While you no doubt have reasons for feeling the way that you do, why not post your reasoning and evidences? ISA truth will prevail. When discussed in a serious manner, human relations are a reasonable topic.

ALLAH knows best.



General Issues / Questions / Re: Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen
« on: October 22, 2016, 11:58:12 PM »
Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

My comments in red.

some key verses to ponder

7:80 And Lot, when he said to his people: "Do you commit lewdness to an extend that none in the worlds had surpassed you?"

It is a poor translation that leads to poor understanding. Sabaqakum does not mean surpassed.

Please consider the following translations:

FM 7:80 And Lot, he said to his people: "Do you commit immorality such as none of those of the worlds had done before?"

Sahih International: And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds?

Pickthall: And Lot! (Remember) when he said unto his folk: Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?

Yusuf Ali: We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?

Shakir: And (We sent) Lut when he said to his people: What! do you commit an indecency which any one in the world has not done before you?

Muhammad Sarwar: Lot told his people, "Why do you commit such indecent acts that have never been committed by anyone before?

Mohsin Khan: And (remember) Lout (Lot), when he said to his people: "Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns)?

Arberry: And Lot, when he said to his people, 'What, do you commit such indecency as never any being in all the world committed before you?

Have *you* considered that existing physical evidence show that homosexual acts in society predate the people of Lot by over a thousand years, and for thousands of years before that in smaller groups? It shoots a hole in the argument that the people of Lot were chastised for homosexual acts.

7:81 "You come to men with desire instead of women; you are a transgressing people".

So then, is it okay to approach women with desire? 7:81 mentions lust, and seems to be exacerbated by the fact that the lust is to other men.

26:165 "Are you attracted to the males of the worlds?"
26:166 "You leave what your Lord has created for you of mates? You are an intrusive people!"

Again, the above translations are skewed.  Atatūna does not mean attracted.

FM: 26:165 "Do you approach the males of the worlds?"

Sahih International: Do you approach males among the worlds

Pickthall: What! Of all creatures do ye come unto the males,

Yusuf Ali: "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males,

Shakir: What! do you come to the males from among the creatures

Muhammad Sarwar: Do you, in the world, want to have carnal relations with males

Mohsin Khan: "Go you in unto the males of the 'Alamin (mankind),

Arberry: What, do you come to male beings,

So, is it okay to approach other humans in lust? Is it okay to leave a spouse to engage in sexual acts with another? It wouldn't matter if the men were pursuing women or men--it just so happened that they preferred men. It was the lustful approach to others, and perhaps adultery that is the real issue.

may Allah guide us to the right path

There is also the teeny tiny problem of the women and children among the people of Lot being destroyed. They were innocent of homosexual acts. Could it be that the men were destroyed for the same reason as the women and children?

17:15 Whoever is guided is guided for himself, and whoever is misguided is for his own loss. And no bearer may carry the burden of another; and We were not to punish until We send a messenger.

29:29 "You approach the males, and you sever the way, and you bring all vice into your place." But the only response from his people was to say: "Bring us the retribution of GOD, if you are being truthful!"

Maybe it was the response of the people that lead to their destruction.

ALLAH knows best.



General Issues / Questions / Re: Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen
« on: October 22, 2016, 10:58:51 PM »
Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

sex outside the marriage bound is not allowed simple is that...

on other hand how can you do marriage  with somebody who is of same sex...  :nope:

if not then if two boys do jigi jigi , what catagory is it... :hmm

and what if you do sex with animals its also not written in quran

moreover if something is not in black and white it does not mean God allowed it..

homo or hetro are not allowed apart from the bound of marriage...
Remember that homosexuality is an attraction to the same sex. Homosexual acts are different from an attraction. A man that marries a woman and never undertakes a homosexual act in his life is still a homosexual if attracted to other men.

And what is marriage? A license? A contract? Were there not marriages before writing? It could be argued that the sexual act *is* marriage. On the other hand, if sexual acts are only permissible inside marriage, then surely those that deter homosexuals from marriage are not preventing lewdness, but causing it. Those that claim that homosexuals are not welcome in Islam deter others from the deen. The "morality police" need to look to themselves before attempting to better others.

Certainly, approaching others out of lust is not okay--and this is without regard to a person's attraction(s).

Sex with animals is a straw man argument, the discussion is about about homosexuality and homosexual acts. Please start another thread if you seriously want to talk about bestiality.

4:22   And do not marry who your fathers had married from the women, except what has already been done. It is a lewdness, and an abhorrence, and an evil path.

4:23   Forbidden for you are your mothers, and your daughters, and your sisters, and the sisters of your father, and the sisters of your mother, and the daughters of your brother, and the daughters of your sister, and your foster mothers who suckled you, and your sisters from suckling, and the mothers of your women, and your step-daughters who are in your lodgings from your women with whom you have already consummated the marriage; if you have not consummated the marriage then there is no sin upon you; and those who were in wedlock with your sons who are from your seed, and that you join between two sisters except what has already been done. GOD is Forgiving, Merciful.

4:24   And the emancipated from the women-except those committed to by your oath-is God's decree over you. And it is permitted for you to seek beyond this category that you employ your wealth, to be emancipated, not for illicit sex. So, for those of them you find pleasing, then you shall give them their dowries as an obligation; and there is no sin upon you for what you agree on after the obligation. GOD is Knowledgeable, Wise.

So then, are homosexual acts beyond this category, or are they included somewhere?  :) If they are included, please show where.

I'd also like to point out that many of the translations for "wife" are more properly translated as "pair."

Indeed: 51:49 And of everything We created a pair, perhaps you may remember.

So, what is the pair for a homosexual? Are they destined to be lonely? A homosexual can no more make themselves attracted to the opposite gender than a heterosexual can make themselves attracted to the same gender. Very strange that all known species capable of sexual reproduction exhibit homosexuality--how peculiar that something that is so prevalent and normal would be unnatural in humans!

The Almighty is not ashamed to Guide us; please point out the word or words that mean homosexual or homosexual sure to cross reference those words elsewhere so that they don't mean "adultery" in one place and "homosexual acts" in another.

If it isn't prohibited, what is its status?

Please very carefully consider before saying that something is not allowed.

ALLAH knows best.



General Issues / Questions / Re: Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen
« on: October 22, 2016, 10:12:22 AM »
Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

My comments in red.


I'm only trying to tell you homosexuality is sinful.

And I reject you and your interpretations as a partner. As a thought experiment, replace homosexuality with dancing. AQ is silent on dancing. It is something that two men or two women can do. If you believe that dancing is sinful, don't do it, but don't mistake your likes/dislikes for the authority to say that something is allowed/disallowed.

 You say homosexual acts, this and that; stop with the excuses, you know what I mean. A homosexual won't be homosexual without doing the disgusting things the homosexuals do.

A homosexual is a homosexual whether they act upon their inclinations or not; that isn't an excuse, but a definition. What "disgusting" acts, exactly? There are few things that homosexuals do that heterosexuals do not. To say that something is forbidden/sinful because it doesn't interest you is a lie.

If you continue with your desire or not; it won't be a sin on my part, but on you and those who act. Repent while you can, and when you see the homosexuals that you so much advocate for, tell them to repent and reform.

I haven't told any lies. I've backed up my thought process logically, and with evidence from AQ. My understanding, after considering all of the evidence, is that homosexuality and homosexual acts are not disallowed in the deen.

9:67  The hypocrite males and the hypocrite females, they are to each
other.  They  order  vice  and  prohibit  good,  and  they  close  their 
hands.  They  forgot  God,  so  He  will  forget  them;  indeed,  the
hypocrites are the wicked.

9:71  And the believing males and the believing females, they are allies
to one another. They order good and prohibit vice, and they hold
the Education-Process, and they contribute towards purification
and they obey God and His messenger. God will have mercy on
them; God is Noble, Wise.


5:8 O you who believe, stand for GOD and be witnesses for justice, and let not the hatred towards a people make you avoid being just. Be just, for it is closer to righteousness, and be aware of GOD. GOD is expert over what you do.

ALLAH knows best.



General Issues / Questions / Re: Homosexuality LGBTQI and the deen
« on: October 22, 2016, 09:19:38 AM »
Greetings and Peace, all  :group:

Beg pardon, last post accidentally posted while incomplete.



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