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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: 4:24 translation - not correct?
« on: January 17, 2016, 09:15:11 PM »

The subject of "muhsanaat" is very interesting socially when I read the topic. The Quran is basically giving preference to "emancipated" women and asking that they should be first choice for anyone wanting to marry.

This is exactly the opposite of how middle eastern and other regional societies operate in that the young girl (not the emancipated one) is given the preference as she is seen to be more immature and more pure. The result: many women being unable to marry if mr right did not come and sweep them off their feet before they hit the peak of the early 20's!

On the word itself, I disagree with most translators who switch its meaning from verse to verse (one time she is protected by marriage, one time she is protected by chastity, etc.) .

Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: 4:24 translation - not correct?
« on: January 13, 2016, 11:49:28 PM »

I agree with you the translation is not clear. I have reviewed the entire subject and below is the best rendition of the verses that I could see:

4:24      And the emancipated from the women—except those committed to by oath—is God’s decree over you. And it is permitted for you to seek beyond this category that you employ your wealth, to be emancipated, not for illicit sex. So, for those of them you find pleasing, then you shall give them their dowries as an obligation; and there is no sin upon you for what you agree on after the obligation. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

4:25      And whoever of you cannot afford to marry the emancipated female believers, then from those committed to by oath of the believing young women. And God is more aware of your faith, some of you to each other. You shall marry them with the permission of their parents, and give them their dowries in kindness. To  be emancipated—not for illicit sex or taking lovers. Once they are emancipated, then any of them who comes with an immorality shall have half of what is upon those already emancipated of the punishment. This is for those who fear a hardship from among you, but if you are patient it is better for you. And God is Forgiver, Merciful.

This category is not a "forbidden" one (i.e. 4:24 is not a carryover of 4:23), rather, it is a new topic where there is an emphasis that we seek to marry the emancipated/mature women Vs. the young dependent/immature ones. This can be seen again in 5:5 below:

5:5      Today, the good things have been made lawful to you, and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them. And the emancipated females from those who are believers, and the emancipated females from those who have been given the Book before you; on condition that you give them their dowries. To be emancipated—not for illicit sex or taking lovers. And whoever rejects belief, then his work has fallen, and in the Hereafter he is of the losers.

General Issues / Questions / Re: THE TRUE QURANIC SHAHADA
« on: January 10, 2016, 04:10:35 AM »

The Shahada of the Sunnis (as well as this revised version with the addition of "haqq") are both repeat versions of the testimony that the hypocrites gave to the prophet when they saw him 1,400 years ago!

63:1   When the hypocrites come to you they say: "We bear witness that you are the messenger of God." And God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.

The hypocrites insisted to challenge God's assertion where He has stated clearly that His testimony on this subject is ENOUGH - thus exposing themselves as pretenders rather than true submitters.

48:28   He is the One who sent His messenger with the guidance and the system of truth, so that it would expose all other systems. And God is enough as a witness.

Now, with regards to the quote of 3:86 as the new foundation for revising this innovation...

3:86   How can God guide a people who had rejected after believing, and they had witnessed that the messenger was real, and clear evidences had come to them? God does not guide the wicked people.

1. The verse is speaking ill of these people (how could they have done this after so and so...);
2. The verse is referring of a specific people "qawm" who had been alive at the time of the revelation;
3. The witnessing they had done was to the reality of the messenger - they had seen him in the flesh, as well as them being present when evidences were given by God.

Finally, I would just like to remind that Satan testifies that God is One and he knows all the messengers better than you and I ever will...Yet, he will burn in the fires of Hell for he failed to submit/obey to God when commanded.

We become Muslims by submitting/surrendering to God (see 49:14 & 27:44)   

Free-Minds.Org / ProgressiveMuslims.Org / Re: favicon
« on: January 06, 2016, 05:04:34 AM »
No worries - it's been fixed.

Free-Minds.Org / ProgressiveMuslims.Org / Re: favicon
« on: January 06, 2016, 01:04:39 AM »

If anyone can convert the forum logo in a 32x32 with the .ico format, then I can upload it to change the favicon.


You are correct, the copyright notice is pretty standard and has been placed to protect from misuse/abuse of the work.

I would not worry about quoting from The Message as the entire purpose of the work is to promote the message of God.


I have not seen the video you refer to, but I do kneel and prostrate during Salat. 

Salam Ervin,

I don't see the contradiction. One rule is applying to all the people of the book, while the other is specific to those who refuse to uphold the laws of the land they are living under.

Off-Topic / Re: Tiny Request to Free-Minds Site Owner
« on: November 19, 2015, 02:06:52 AM »

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