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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Sexual Consent

« on: May 22, 2013, 02:53:33 AM »

Peace,

I guess I was looking at it this way because from my understanding it seems like the Quran is more andro centric. It seems like there are more verses addressing men than women which I think I can understand given the context of the time period that the quran was revealed. Also seems like when concerning this issue men are the active ones while women are passive, they are the ones being acted upon. A couple examples would be the verse saying women are a tilth or the one regarding menstration. They're directed to men about women.

 Just some thoughts. I understand a majority of people get the whole consent thing. I'm just trying to develope an argument using the quran against those who say there is no rape in marriage which is something I disagree with completely.

a) Despite what many traditionalist "scholars" and "teachers" may say, women and men are set equal in front of God. Even if God addresses the males in many passages that are written in the second-person POV, it also applies to women, in a way.

3:195 Their Lord responded to them: "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you male or female - you are equal to one another. Thus, those who immigrate, and get evicted from their homes, and are persecuted because of Me, and fight and get killed, I will surely remit their sins and admit them into gardens with flowing streams." Such is the reward from GOD. GOD possesses the ultimate reward.

b) So far, I have not seen any evidence for rape within marriage. According to the research I have done so far for the article that I am going to write, rape ("zina") is sex with people other than your spouse or "MMA" (those who consent to sex outside of marriage and prostitution). The whole premise is that when you marry, you basically agree to engage in sexual activity with your spouse. However, we are not allowed to treat our spouse unfairly.

4:19 O you who acknowledge, it is not lawful for you to inherit the women by force, nor that you become harsh with them to take away some of what you have given them, unless they commit clear adultery. Live with them in kindness. If you dislike them, then perhaps you may dislike something and God makes in it much good.

30:21 Among His signs is that He created for you mates from yourselves that you may reside with them, and He placed between you affection and compassion. In that are signs for people who think.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: EVERY CHRISTIAN SHOULD WAKE UP AFTER THIS VIDEO

« on: May 21, 2013, 05:30:45 PM »

What I can see from most christiant follower is, free sex, money interest, drugs etc. Do you think it is a good way of life? Its hell. I know how it was. I know Jesus teaching on New Testament is good, but if there is no one following it, its useless. Christianity had a notorious name among the muslim like gays marriage, and so on and so on. First, you have to get back to your scripture first and then start preaching us.

I'm sure that's how many Christians feel about the so-called "Muslims".

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Which punishment do you feel is worse to have?

« on: May 21, 2013, 03:27:09 PM »

Peace,

I have also been troubled by the translation of 4:15.   

Which translation, and in which way?

If zina is rape then why would God also say punish the victim in 24:2?  Says alzaniyatu walzani?  And "bihama" is translated as pity for them.  Also if zina is rape, why would anyone have pity for a rapist?   

Because there is no sexism. If a female rapes/molests a male, then the female is punished in the same way a male would be punished if he raped/molested someone. Do you find this puzzling or troubling? Everyone is equal in front of the law. And in regards to you latter question: because some people have compassion in their heart.

In an article I will write up soon I will logically, using the Quran alone and no preconceptions or religious influence, prove to everyone that "zina" is rape, "FHSh" is adultery and some more things regarding the sexual laws of the Quran.

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Off-Topic / Re: can anyone help me please, because i converted to islam and parents dont like it

« on: May 21, 2013, 11:48:26 AM »

Peace,

what about jobs that sell haram meat..such as selling beef jerky...first of all i know that any meat that is not pork is halal. 2nd any meat that the name of Allah not mention in it...and i doubt that meat - before slaughtering it-the people behind the slaughter mentioned the name of God in them...lol..what about that..thanks in advance for the answers and thatnks for this answer too..lol and thanks for the support

You are not allowed to eat the meat that you do not pronounce the name of God upon. How can you be sure that so-called "halal" (read: "halal"-branded) meat has God's name pronounced on it while slaughtered? Moreover, what benefit does it give you? Moreover, I don't see any evidence that it is forbidden to trad items that are forbidden for us to eat. Keeping pet pigs, for instance, is not forbidden. I suggest you try to set your mind free a little and read the Quran and some of the threads and articles on here as well as on other Quran-alone sites.

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Which punishment do you feel is worse to have?

« on: May 20, 2013, 03:37:03 PM »

Peace,

May be the question to be asked is who would you have pity for? 

An abused woman in unhappy arranged loveless marriage to an arrogant vile abusive man who financially or for reasons cannot leave her husband finding comfort and love in the arms of another man who treats her like a human being.

Or

A professional thief who breaks into your house, ransacks your places, takes all that you have worked hard for and were given to you by family and friends.  In this economy you are barely making ends meet living paycheck to paycheck, putting food on the table and not much savings in left in the bank account.   The thief basically cleaned you out.

"Zina" is rape (thus the harsh earthly, physical punishment as well as punishment in the hereafter, except if pardoned). "FaHaSha" and it's derivatives refers to adultery. The punishment for adultery, the crime that you mentioned above, is in detailed in 4:15. There is no pity clause, by the way.

Also, if the thief is found, usually many of the stolen items can be recovered. If not, you cut from their means.

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Which punishment do you feel is worse to have?

« on: May 20, 2013, 01:33:18 PM »

Looking at this again, I think it becomes obvious that the verse does not imply "cutting off" the hand, else a clause on pity would have been appropriate, granted there is one for lashes for rapists (ie. ones who commit "zina").

In fact, marking/cutting the hand would also be quite implausible considering this.

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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: How can "salat" mean "learning connection/reading the Qur'an"

« on: May 19, 2013, 04:42:47 PM »

Peace,

I am re-visiting the meaning of Salat now. I have been wondering about the three prayers prescribed in the Quran by name, then when I read 2:238 in the middle of the topic of divorce, it makes me wonder if here it means bond, and to uphold the bonds/relations and the 'wusta'. I get the sense that maybe it means to maintain good BALANCED (wusta) bonds/relations with them (in reference to the divorced woman). At least when I read it in context.

Then what's interesting is the next verse, 2:239, which traditionally is translated like this:

"And if you fear [an enemy, then pray] on foot or riding. But when you are secure, then remember Allah [in prayer], as He has taught you that which you did not [previously] know."

However there is something I found off about the second word in the verse, "Khiftum". It doesn't say "Fa in khOftom" (fear). But "khIftom".

I looked up Khif in Lane's Lexicon (Book I, page 770) and found these possible meanings:

"Incited, or excited his people to be promptly obedient and submissive to him and that which he desired of him. Or he incited, or excited his people to levity, or unsteadiness, ignorance, foolishness and wrong conduct."

Also my understanding of the verse in arabic, is that it does not say "If you fear..WHILE on foot or riding.". If "Rijalan" and "rukuban" mean foot and riding..then to me the arabic suggests "If you (fear), THEN on foot or riding..". Not while.

So maybe it means:

 "If you are unsteady/ignorant/foolish about/towards (the divorced spouse?), THEN...(whatever the following couple of words mean), But if you believed/were sincere then remember Allah, as He has taught you that which you did not know."

It literally cites the word "khifa" next to the word "ignorance" on that page in Lane's Lexicon.

If this is correct and has more direct context in divorce/relationships, then perhaps this cancels the possibility that there is a Wusta Prayer and that Salawat does not mean 3 or more Prayers in this CONTEXT. Therefore it's possible there is either no specific number of prayers and/or there are only 2. I don't know..


Does this make any sense?

Underrated post! This basically sealed the deal for me for verses 2:237-239. (Note that I'm just paraphrasing here):

Verse 237: You basically just broke up with your wife. You must still pay the dowry if you havent consummated/gone through with the marriage yet.

Verse 238: You should try to preserve all of your bonds/relationships, especially the most balanced/central bond/relationship in your life, which is the one you have with God. Ie. Through all of this, remember that you still have God - he is the most important thing in your life, not a woman/man.

Verse 239: If you are depressed/distressed/have anxiety due to your failed marriage, get your mind off things by going out and about (on foot or riding). Once you return into a peaceful mindset, remember God. After all, one must be in a clear mindset while maintaining the salat (4:43).

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Which punishment do you feel is worse to have?

« on: May 18, 2013, 07:46:21 PM »

Looking at this again, I think it becomes obvious that the verse does not imply "cutting off" the hand, else a clause on pity would have been appropriate, granted there is one for lashes for rapists (ie. ones who commit "zina").

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Off-Topic / Make the most of now - Inspirational Vodafone Ad

« on: May 17, 2013, 03:33:54 PM »

I want to share this inspirational Vodafone ad with you guys. It reminds us how precious time is, especially the present, NOW. So don't waste it. Make the most of now; carpe diem!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WwlNtDIuPA

Peace and blessings!

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Projects / Conferences / Events / Re: 3D printing mentioned in QURAAN?

« on: May 17, 2013, 03:25:45 PM »

Oh how great 3D printing is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA