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Pilgrimage (Hajj) / Keys to the kabaa.
« on: September 07, 2011, 10:38:49 PM »
I find the decoration of the kaaba as described here disgustingly extravagant. Changed annually like they are dressing it.

Reminds me of a Nasreddin story, in which he is rejected at the feast of wealthy men when he arrives in his normal clothes as himself. He returns a while later in his best and most expensive coat to find them making space for him to sit amongst the men. He takes the food and begins smearing it on his coat instead of eating it. The men ask him whether he has gone mad. He replies that since it was the coat that made him worthy of eating with them, that it was only fair that it ate the meal...

http://www.islamicpluralism.org/1670/mourning-a-great-servant-of-the-kaaba

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Sheikh Abdul-Aziz Al-Sheibi, keeper of the Holy Ka'aba's door key, passed away at 3.am Sunday morning, 7 November 2010/2 Dhul-Hijja 1431 Hijri, following a heart attack. He suffered illness and pain in the chest and was taken to Jeddah international hospital.   He had been ill, and used a wheelchair, for many years.  He was 82.
He was buried at Mua'la Cemetery in the sacred enclosure next to Sayyida Khadija, Prophet Muhammad's wife, after funeral prayers at the Grand Mosque in Makkah.

The Bani Shaiba is an Islamic tribe that hold the key to the Ka'aba. Prophet Muhammad (May Peace and Blessings be upon him) handed the key to Bani Shaiba in the year of the conquest of Makkah, and said, "Take it, O Bani Talha, eternally up to the Day of Resurrection, and it will not be taken from you unless by an unjust, oppressive tyrant." The family has held the key for the past 15 centuries.

The King of Saudi Arabia has to seek the permission from the senior member of the Al-Sheibi family before he can enter the Ka'aba.

King Abdullah bin Abdul-Aziz telephoned the family and the sons of Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah Al-Sheibi to offer his condolences and sympathy to the Al-Sheibi family.

Al-Sheibi passed away a few hours before he was to officially transfer the new kiswa or black cover to the Ka'aba at the beginning of the Hajj month this year.  The total cost of the cloth over the Ka'aba was more than 20 million riyals (£3.3 mn, USD5.3mn).   The cover is 658 sq. metres long, and is made of 670 kilograms of pure silk.  For embroidery, 15 kg of gold thread was used. It consists of 47 pieces of cloth, and each piece is 14 metres long and 101 cm broad. The black cover (kiswa), replaced anew annually, is draped on the Ka'aba and fixed to the ground with copper rings.

The 70 cm, gold-and-platinum Ka'aba key is painted in Islamic green with a glazed gold head. Verses from Qur'an are engraved on either side. The key leaves its locked cabinet twice a year, when the Saudi king opens the Ka'aba's door for cleaning of the interior and change of its black cover, as well as when he takes Muslim heads of states on a visit to the Ka'aba.

Al-Sheibi had kept the key for the past 18 years, before his retirement; he held the position of Director General of Religious Affairs and Mosques in Makkah at the Ministry of Hajj.  He has four sons: Talal, Hashem, Marwan and Nizar.  The brother of the deceased, Abdul Qader Al-Sheibi, who is now the key-bearer of the Ka'aba, said his brother's death was painful for him, and "the pain gets harder when I open the Ka'aba's door and memories come to me, but it is Allah's will."  A number of Makkah's residents expressed their sorrow at losing Al-Sheibi. Among the comments made was that Mecca has lost a "good son" and a "pious sheikh" and "our hearts are full of pain and our souls sad".

Sheikh Abdul-Aziz Al-Sheibi was a very dear friend who I had known for the past many years.  He was a regular attendee at the Mawlids in Makkah held by the Sayyids of the Ba'Alawi family. He once said to me "I hold the key to the holy Ka'aba; what better honour can a Muslim crave in this world."

He was the last of his generation and a very modest and humble servant of the Ka'aba. He lived a simple life at his small house.  I was presented with a family tree going back to Usman Bin Talha, who was given the key by the Prophet, and a signed book by Al-Sheibi. As the years go by I will definitely miss him.

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Decadence, luxury, waste, falsehood...

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Greatness or locality? 43:31
« on: October 29, 2010, 02:04:08 AM »
43:31    And they said: "If only this Quran was sent down to a great man from the two towns!"

When I read this last week, I understood it to mean instantly that the messenger was a stranger to the "two towns". That he was a non local person. It's obvious that he wasn't someone of prominence as it asks why it wasn't a great man to have received it.

But why is it specific about the two towns?

Does it mean it wouldnt have been sufficient to have come to someone just great but from afar?

Are both conditions necessary?

1. Great and a local.
2. Great but foreign.
3. Not great but local.
4. Not great and foreign.

Therefore does it mean that the messenger was neither?

Please discuss. 


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Pilgrimage (Hajj) / Debate about hajj. The "Bottleneck" Problem.
« on: September 19, 2010, 05:03:03 AM »
This week I've had visitors who are re-establishing themselves in Australia after a period in Turkey.

While I hadnt intended to be inquisitive it emerged that the man who is in his 60's has at least one purpose in returning to Australia. To make the so called hajj to modern day Mekka. I make no bones about the fact that I believe this ritual is not the hajj of the koran. In fact I class it together with other practises as "Arab gymnastics" for the ignorant. The ignorant pay their Saudi tax by becoming lulled into this journey.

Anyhow, my first question was why he hadnt just done the hajj via Turkish channels. He said that there was a quota system. I said surely he could just wait his turn. He said that it involved a drawing of names like in a lottery.

I began a line of inquiry stating what he thought of a universal religion, with eternally relevant practises becoming subject to a bottleneck effect.

He was taken aback.

I reminded him of the verses on games of chance and made it clear to him that if hajj had been reduced to a lottery ticket, almost like a Wonka factory tour, then it had already refuted itself.

We moved onto other topics, but it got me thinking further. If 1 billion muslims are supposed to undertake this sights and sounds tour of some Arabian desert city and perform some ritualised Arab gymnastics which have no basis in the koran; then how is it logistically going to work?

They take 3 million or so "pilgrims". 1000/3 = 333 years to get all of them through. Even if they increased the number to 10 million per annum, it relies on a lifespan of 100 years to get all through.

I think the Bottleneck Problem is a serious issue for the physical journey interpretation of hajj.

Your thoughts?

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Asia/Middle East/Africa / Re: Australian Meet-up
« on: September 02, 2010, 06:22:07 AM »
Thank you for the welcome back.

As someone with severe time constraints and commitments it would unfortunately prove difficult to join in these meetups. Where there is a will though..... As they say.

I'm like some other members also a Qlder, but I lived most of my life in Sydney and still have family there; my visits have become sadly less frequent though.

I'll try to keep an eye on this thread, and I hope some who come across the message on silver and gold as a store of wealth take heed and act on it by firstly educating yourselves on this and teaching your friends and family. Marc Faber is a good source as well as many others you'll find if you begin looking into it. 

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Economics Forum / Re: Important: What the Price of Gold is Telling Us
« on: September 02, 2010, 06:13:57 AM »
Hi Wakas,

Unfortunately forum chat is more a luxury than anything else nowadays.

Thanks for the links. There are other similar ones I've watched.

How's life on your side of the world?


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Economics Forum / Re: Important: What the Price of Gold is Telling Us
« on: September 02, 2010, 04:48:24 AM »
I'm 4 years late to this, but last year read Ron Pauls two books and found my view on politics, tax, and money transformed.

I've read much more since on money, and that has led me to the same conclusions of abolishing of fractional reserve banking, fiat currency, and usury as discussed here.

Pity the original poster is no longer here. He was well ahead of the curve.

The collapse of the financial system is near. The most massive transfer of wealth in history will occur around this event. The only way to become a winner is to hold precious metals. Sell all your stocks (non gold mining ones), reduce debts, fix your interest rates, and buy silver and gold.

Do your own research as I dont offer absolute advice, but I think it would be a fool who reads about  and then ignores the coming collapse.  

 

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Asia/Middle East/Africa / Re: Australian Meet-up
« on: September 02, 2010, 04:16:16 AM »
I'm also Australian and were it not for a mass mailout might have not responded here tonight.

Its been a long time since I've posted and funnily enough I remembered the forum a few months ago when I read up on people who've started stacking silver to defend against the coming greatest collapse of financial systems in all of history.  I remembered a few articles one of the members had posted here way back when I joined on the evil of usury and fiat money.

A few weeks ago I again remembered the forum when my post on the Khazars link to Ashkenazim came up on a search I did.

Nice to see that these days there are some Australian members.

My only advice at present would be to educate yourselves and your families about the coming greatest transfer of wealth in history. The only "ark" for our times is the honest money afforded by gold and silver. God in the koran mentions the keeping of true weights and measures and to shun usury. The coming collapse in financial systems will take many by surprise and rob one of their savings and an entire life of labour for those who are unaware.

 

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Projects / Conferences / Events / Re: Can we?
« on: July 03, 2009, 05:33:57 PM »
Well, what do you think I have been trying to do for years now? I don't believe in symbols or idols. Labels are a modern day necessity and it all depends on what you mean by institutions. I am doing it, are you?

Church?

Ancient death and torture device symbols?

Christian?

Reverend?


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Projects / Conferences / Events / Re: Can we?
« on: July 03, 2009, 03:16:43 AM »
As God-alone people (Jews, Christians and Muslims), can we not worship together? Become one religion? Just be God-Aloners?

What do you think?

Don't say, do.

Examine yourself first, discard the symbols, discard the labels, discard the institutions, discard your idols...

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General Issues / Questions / Re: One step closer to the truth?
« on: July 03, 2009, 03:10:49 AM »
So many words...

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