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We all have a duty to our parents. What you describe certainly isn't how I would behave, or indeed, expect my children to behave. It seems that some see parents as a burden whereas for me, spending time with them, caring for them, I would consider an honour.


Hi Sajda,

So you are ok to live in a house with your husband and with your and his parents?
I think there is a time that we have to accept to get independent of our parents and our children.
Unless they are very sick or have  financial problems or other really important things. I do not see the added value to live with our parents and our partner in the same house.

Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: undisputed facts about Quran
« on: Yesterday at 06:11:15 PM »
I know, amonst them the wives of some of the prophets that have a name. However there is plenty of mention with name of people who received scriptures and also of people who did not receive scriptures. Qur'an is upposed to be the contrasting scripture to check the authenticity fo othr scriptures, at least we all use it as such or purport to, so there are very legitimte questions as to why the prophet of the Qur'an should be singled out to be left without a name to name him. Because there i a prohet who received and trnasmitted the Qur'n to people, or is that also questionned? Was the Qur'an handed down to a cooperative? r depoited nonymously somewhere.

I know that we all receive the Qur'an individually in our fitr, the sign in the horizon and within ourselves. No need to go into tht we are all agreed on it. But there is this scripture which we all use, so how did it get to us?


RED: I do not agree with this. I think only Musa got maybe something like a "scripture", depends on how we want to understand the red word  (7:145)  وَكَتَبْنَا لَهُ فِي الْأَلْوَاحِ

BLUE: I wish I knew, I have no idea.
Of course I have my own speculations, but they are just speculations like any other speculation.

Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: undisputed facts about Quran
« on: Yesterday at 05:53:38 PM »
Lot of harsh views there.

So what do you think? Do you think the man they ascribe fits the messenger of the quran?

Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: undisputed facts about Quran
« on: Yesterday at 05:50:49 PM »
Surprising considering:

Thank you! Have been reading it since yesterday.
I can not verify the sources and the dates but still very interesting.
What I find interesting is that it reminds me of Keyser Soze, no one of the sources met him, at best they only know/met someone who told them about him and or his deeds (which are according to those sources not really positive).

btw I am not saying that nothing happened 1400 years ago, because without history books and archaeology we can witness today that something world changing happened somewhere in the middle east some time ago.
But I am interested in the origin, the first copy and the first one(s) who got the first copy and of course the HOW. And the history books and narratations about these questions are very questionable for a lot of reasons.

Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: undisputed facts about Quran
« on: Yesterday at 05:21:43 PM »
Salaamun Bender,

Don't you have wall around where you are sitting, go hit your head instead :brickwall:

Not any more, I have demolished them all already  ;)

here , first
Edip-Layth (Quran: A Reformist Translation)
53:55 So which of your Lord's marvels can you deny?

The Monotheist Group (The Quran: A Monotheist Translation)
53:55 So which powers of your Lord do you doubt?

Muhammad Asad (The Message Of Quran)
53:55 About which, then, of thy Sustainer's powers canst thou [still] remain in doubt?39

Rashad Khalifa (The Final Testament)
53:55 Which of your Lord's marvels can you deny?,

Shabbir Ahmed (Quran As It Explains Itself)
53:55 Then, which facet of your Lordís Power will you doubt or deny.

second and third on 7:69 and 7:74 that used same root word ila for 

the word ila interpreted as marvels /miracles/bounties/favor by different scholars and quran used this word in 34 different places which is up there mr bender.

any more questions , sir

Ok so you were talking about the single word "Ala(i/a)" and not about "which of the miracles/marvels/favors of your lord you will deny"

General Issues / Questions / Re: IDOL WORSHIPPING IS THE NEW ISLAM
« on: Yesterday at 04:44:49 PM »
of course without any doubt they are challenging ALLAH subhanvatal
No they are not, they think that Allah ordered them to do that, like millions before them and with them.
Just like how you believe that your spinning around the cube and your ritual prayer is a command of Allah and I think you are not challenging Allah with that.

Do you have proof for your claim or it is your wild speculation .
I said I strongly believe, these means that I do not need to prove it  ;)

But yes I have solid evidence that I am right.

Bender evidence:
- If I were to judge people on their rituals (with MY rituals as criterion) than you all (whole world) are misguided.

Quranic evidence:
5:48 وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَمُهَيْمِنًا عَلَيْهِ ۖ فَاحْكُم بَيْنَهُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللَّـهُ ۖ وَلَا تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَاءَهُمْ عَمَّا جَاءَكَ مِنَ الْحَقِّ ۚ لِكُلٍّ جَعَلْنَا مِنكُمْ شِرْعَةً وَمِنْهَاجًا ۚ وَلَوْ شَاءَ اللَّـهُ لَجَعَلَكُمْ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلَـٰكِن لِّيَبْلُوَكُمْ فِي مَا آتَاكُمْ ۖ فَاسْتَبِقُوا الْخَيْرَاتِ ۚ إِلَى اللَّـهِ مَرْجِعُكُمْ جَمِيعًا فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ

20:15 إِنَّ السَّاعَةَ آتِيَةٌ أَكَادُ أُخْفِيهَا لِتُجْزَىٰ كُلُّ نَفْسٍ بِمَا تَسْعَىٰ

2:281 وَاتَّقُوا يَوْمًا تُرْجَعُونَ فِيهِ إِلَى اللَّـهِ ۖ ثُمَّ تُوَفَّىٰ كُلُّ نَفْسٍ مَّا كَسَبَتْ وَهُمْ لَا يُظْلَمُونَ

3:30 يَوْمَ تَجِدُ كُلُّ نَفْسٍ مَّا عَمِلَتْ مِنْ خَيْرٍ مُّحْضَرًا وَمَا عَمِلَتْ مِن سُوءٍ تَوَدُّ لَوْ أَنَّ بَيْنَهَا وَبَيْنَهُ أَمَدًا بَعِيدًا ۗ وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّـهُ نَفْسَهُ ۗ وَاللَّـهُ رَءُوفٌ بِالْعِبَادِ

I think this is enough for the moment.

General Issues / Questions / Re: IDOL WORSHIPPING IS THE NEW ISLAM
« on: Yesterday at 04:25:02 PM »
i've mentioned holy books / theories, which cited Quran, Gospel, Bible among the example.. that also include any other book which one considered as flawless / holy, Harry Potter anyone?
Or idea.. Flat Earth, 7 layer of heaven, judgement day, heaven and hell.
I add more:
- Holy Nationality (Swedish, American, Syrian, Egyptian, Palestine etc..)
- Holy Ethnicities (Arabs, Jewish, White, Black, Spanish / Latin)

- Holy Football Club (Spurs, City, MU, Liverpool)

And i'm truly truly expecting this to come in as future form of idol..
- Holy Software.. A computer software written by God.
- Holy eBook.. Finally god "sent down" something in pdf format..

What I wanted to say is that it is not fair to point only to the Abrahamic religions, we all have our holy things.

RED: These are indeed in the top 5 (my top 5) of the most evil holy things.

God speaks to you all directly through your conscience.. listened to it very carefully..
When you see something from any sources (including "holy book") which is not inline with your own conscience..
Always side with your own conscience.. don't ignore it..
These are very wise words  :handshake:

General Issues / Questions / Re: IDOL WORSHIPPING IS THE NEW ISLAM
« on: May 29, 2016, 01:20:29 PM »
Assalamualaikum Bro
I may agree with you regarding kissing of black stone( Alahamddulliah , i completed my hajj last  year without kissing the black stone ) but how circling around kaba will ever become idol worship .can you elaborate your explanation ,bro

Hi Parvez,

So what do you think parvez, those people who are doing this kissing are they challenging Allah or are you challenging Allah?

Rituals are just rituals, I strongly believe that we are not going to be questioned about our rituals by Allah as long as they are not harming.

Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: undisputed facts about Quran
« on: May 29, 2016, 01:13:13 PM »
ok so do you want me to teach you 2+2 = 4

ok then last prophet = last revelaed book( quran)
second last             = second last revealed book(bible)

or do you also have anyother book apart from quran ,

let me guess what will b your next question,

show me a verse from quran, 2+2= 4

hence you did not show me a verse this math equation is wrong,,,, :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I also used to do these kind of maths.

yeh thats what happen when you claim something without proof , you just waste your court fee( i mean time)
You are the one who is claiming something. I said I do NOT know. So if you have something better than the math above then please enlighten me if not then I guess you just know as much as I do.

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