This is called believing in unseen .
Ok but what does that mean?
In the same vein ,whenever Quran mention "salah" then it is traditional salah and it came to us with Quran .there is no second opinion here also
This does not leave much room for a conversation...
because ,if ALLAH subhanvatala had not accepted the traditional salah then we would guided us through another prophet as he guided us with Quran.
I know that here on this forum a lot of people do a totally different salah then yours BUT they still believe in Mohammed and in The Quran.
How does that work for them?
Its a news to me ,Ben ....do they pray a different salah.Do they have three sujoods or two rukus or they pray 5 rakas for fajr .If your are talking about the content in the salah then you may be correct but the skeleton is the same . even in sunni they are few differences and those difference are attributed to the schools of thought (fiqh) which is man made
Not exactly sure what you understand under skeleton but looks to me that praying 3 times or 5 times a day should be classified under skeleton.
There you are ,Ben
you were praying salah and then you changed.can you answer why did you change.did you read somewhere or you got a instinct and that instinct got incorporated with a like minded group
somewhere down the line something happened
can you enlighten me with that "something"
pl answer me this is a very important question
It was a combination of instinct and research.
The traditional prayer never really made an sense to me even when I was a sunni, but I still did it as it is the second most important thing to do according to wise ones.
At some moment in my life I really had enough of the hadiths and traditions and I wanted to explore the quran myself.
I spend a lot of time searching for this traditional prayer in the quran as I could not believe that something so fundamental was not in the quran.
So my starting point was that I was wrong and the wise ones were right.
The more I began to study the quran the less remained of the traditional prayer.
At some point there was not much left over from the traditional prayer but it was still in some sense a ritual, but I had peace with it.
So I kept doing this modified ritual for some time but I knew that this was still not it and there were still many questions that I had not yet solved for myself.
Then on a rainy Friday morning when I was meditating in a cave at mount Sina an angel with 600 wings appeared in the horizon.
He said: "Stop lying to yourself" in a gentle way and he disappeared. I did not understood what he meant with that. And for a couple of days I was confused.
Then I went back to the holy cave at mount Sina, hoping to meet the angel again. Well the angel came again but this time he was not so kind anymore.
I asked what he meant last time.
Apparently that was not the most wise thing to do as he grabbed me and punched me with a mighty punch to the right side of the universe then to the left and finally back to earth.
He said: "Do you understand now?"
I nodded, not because of fear of another punishment, but because I really understood.
He gave me then a
and then disappeared in the horizons.
Since that day I do not preform any ritual anymore and also a lot of other things changed.
I am not here to pass on the verdict regarding apostate .For me ,any one who is a monotheist is Muslim immaterial of the book he follows and that is the message of quran .
Then why this topic and why did you ask this: "Are the quranist challenging ALLAH subhanavatal about his guidance?"
can you highlight the difference ,Ben
I like to, but it's not only 1 difference, it will really take me a lot of time to comment/highlight on everything I disagreed with.
And I think that our understanding on this subject differs so much that a lot of times we will probably not understand each other.